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BCS Conferences Should all have a Championship game
Posted on 12/9/08 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 12/9/08 at 1:20 pm
Of all the fuss going on about the BCS, im suprised no one has suggested expanding 10/11-team BCS conferences. Teams like Ohio State and USC consistantly win their conferences and are usually done by mid-november in some cases, while the SEC, ACC, and Big 12 have to sacrifice their championship hopes with an extra game. Now this year is more obvious than ever that the SEC and Big 12 are, to be quite frank, the shite while the PAC 2 and the Big 10 (aka ohio state/penn state) can barely hold the mountain wests jock strap (no offense to the Utah fans). Bottom line, there is a solution to this---
Utah and Boise State join the Pac 10, forcing a conference championship, and although unlikely...Notre Dame joind the big 10. If not ND, then some other solid mid west team. The Big East could get tough, but the BCS conferences should be able to pick and choose regional teams to improve competition and make a 12-team conference across the board.
Now i know this isn't all about football and i am by no means qualified to judge this decision on basketball/baseball/etc. But the beginnings of a new and imroved BCS that even the president of the US wants could take a step to start here.
Utah and Boise State join the Pac 10, forcing a conference championship, and although unlikely...Notre Dame joind the big 10. If not ND, then some other solid mid west team. The Big East could get tough, but the BCS conferences should be able to pick and choose regional teams to improve competition and make a 12-team conference across the board.
Now i know this isn't all about football and i am by no means qualified to judge this decision on basketball/baseball/etc. But the beginnings of a new and imroved BCS that even the president of the US wants could take a step to start here.
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Posted on 12/9/08 at 1:22 pm to BLACKLAB3L
mr. obvious reporting for duty, sir!!!
Posted on 12/9/08 at 1:23 pm to tigerdup07
hey, i checked to see if anybody else posted this before i did lol
Posted on 12/9/08 at 1:23 pm to BLACKLAB3L
I'll give the Pac-10 a pass since they do play a round robin.
Posted on 12/9/08 at 1:27 pm to graychef
You can't argue with PAC 10, with ten teams there able to all play each other.
The PAC 10 could add two teams and do it.
If the ACC doesn't improve attendance they might scrap the game - the ACC title game has lost money two years in a row now - it would help to have a Florida school in it or a national title contender.
SEC will never give the Champ game up. It's been too lucrative and its a made for tv event that will always sell out.
The PAC 10 could add two teams and do it.
If the ACC doesn't improve attendance they might scrap the game - the ACC title game has lost money two years in a row now - it would help to have a Florida school in it or a national title contender.
SEC will never give the Champ game up. It's been too lucrative and its a made for tv event that will always sell out.
Posted on 12/9/08 at 1:27 pm to graychef
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I'll give the Pac-10 a pass since they do play a round robin.
agreed. a round robin or a championship game are the only legit ways to determine conference champions.
benefits of a round robin: you can't avoid any teams
benefits of a champ game: you get no ties for conference champion
Posted on 12/9/08 at 1:30 pm to WikiTiger
I'm fine with them not having a CCG. It benefits the Big XII, SEC, and theoretically the ACC(If they ever became worth a shite)
Posted on 12/9/08 at 1:46 pm to BLACKLAB3L
The Pac-10 and SEC both have their problems. For instance:
P10 - Oregon St beat USC, but what if neither OSU never lost to Oregon? Clearly, USC is the better team. The conference championship game would allow the rematch, which would result in Oregon St's butthole widening by a substantial margin.
SEC - I love this method, but a team like Bama this year was able to avoid the best team until the SECCG. What if LSU had lost to UF and Bama, while Bama lost to Ole Miss and UGA? Clearly, UF would have probably beaten Bama, but since they don't have to play them, they go to the title game.
Both have flaws, but the championship game is still the best method. At least in the Big12, ACC, and SEC, you have to play every team in your division THEN play a championship game.
P10 - Oregon St beat USC, but what if neither OSU never lost to Oregon? Clearly, USC is the better team. The conference championship game would allow the rematch, which would result in Oregon St's butthole widening by a substantial margin.
SEC - I love this method, but a team like Bama this year was able to avoid the best team until the SECCG. What if LSU had lost to UF and Bama, while Bama lost to Ole Miss and UGA? Clearly, UF would have probably beaten Bama, but since they don't have to play them, they go to the title game.
Both have flaws, but the championship game is still the best method. At least in the Big12, ACC, and SEC, you have to play every team in your division THEN play a championship game.
Posted on 12/9/08 at 1:47 pm to BLACKLAB3L
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hey, i checked to see if anybody else posted this before i did lol
Well, some threads don't last for years, and years.
Posted on 12/9/08 at 1:52 pm to BLACKLAB3L
I don't know who the Big East could take in...Marshall? 
Posted on 12/9/08 at 2:09 pm to BLACKLAB3L
You're trying to solve something that isn't a problem. Only twice that I can remember has a conference championship game cost a team a shot at a national title: 1998 Kansas State, and 2001 Tennessee. Any other time when a team had national title hopes, a conference championship game has only helped their cause (with the exception of Oklahoma 2003, whose conference title game was no more than an exhibition).
Posted on 12/9/08 at 2:16 pm to xiv
I don't give the Pac 10 a pass for anything. MOst of the time for the SEC championship game... you have to go beat a team that you have possibly played already. Not an easy task to possibly have to go beat a team twice or whatever.
Posted on 12/9/08 at 2:19 pm to dociletiger
I prefer the round robin because you get to play every team every year, but in terms of creating a resume for a title game, I think it would be a good idea for the Pac-10 to grab Utah and BYU and play a CCG
Posted on 12/9/08 at 2:19 pm to Chad504boy
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I don't give the Pac 10 a pass for anything. MOst of the time for the SEC championship game... you have to go beat a team that you have possibly played already. Not an easy task to possibly have to go beat a team twice or whatever.
this is a bullshite reason/response. We all know the Rea$on for conference championship game$...
I'm all about the Pac-10 formula of 10 team conferences with a 9-game conference schedule. Everybody plays everyone in the conference every year.
I've been saying this about the SEC for some time now. Get the SEC back to its pre-1992 roster and play a 9 game SEC schedule (which is even easier to do since 12-game regular season expansion).
Having to play Florida every year out of the east just to please traditional rivalries like Auburn/Georgia and Bama/Tennessee is just stupid.
If LSU has to play Florida (just as an example) every year, so should every other SEC team.
This post was edited on 12/9/08 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 12/9/08 at 2:37 pm to ToplessTenors4evuh
quote:No it isn't. And it isn't unfair to LSU. Sure, the competition is rather stiff, but that's a nationally-televised game every year that the likes of Mississippi State (vs. Kentucky) doesn't get. That's exposure, money, recruiting, etc. And as far as the national title picture goes, LSU completely controls 1/3 of its schedule (OOC), and it can offset such stiff competition with opponents of differenct calibers.
Having to play Florida every year out of the east just to please traditional rivalries like Auburn/Georgia and Bama/Tennessee is just stupid.
Having said that, I'm all for eliminating divisions, giving each team five permanent rivals, and rotating the other three conference slots evenly. Top two go to Atlanta.
quote:That makes about as much sense as to say that if LSU gets four CBS games this year, so should every other SEC team.
If LSU has to play Florida (just as an example) every year, so should every other SEC team.
This post was edited on 12/9/08 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 12/9/08 at 2:44 pm to ToplessTenors4evuh
quote:
this is a bullshite reason/response. We all know the Rea$on for conference championship game$...
The reason for College Football is for $. So if thats your argument.... it goes flying out the window. I'd love for LSU to play a 9 game Pac 10 schedule every year... and be nearly guaranteed a bcs slot every year coming out of it. Pretty pathetic.
Posted on 12/9/08 at 2:46 pm to Chad504boy
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The reason for College Football is for $. So if thats your argument.... it goes flying out the window. I'd love for LSU to play a 9 game Pac 10 schedule every year... and be nearly guaranteed a bcs slot every year coming out of it. Pretty pathetic.
So since the Pac-10 is bad, the Pac-10's way of determining a champion isn't legitamate? wow
This post was edited on 12/9/08 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 12/9/08 at 2:51 pm to usc6158
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So since the Pac-10 is bad, the Pac-10's way of determining a champion isn't legitamate? wow
Its not fair that other conference champions have to play a tough 13th game on a neutral site to win the championship and other conferences DO NOT. Pretty damn simple.
Posted on 12/9/08 at 2:52 pm to Chad504boy
The SEC was the one who wanted to do that for monitary reasons. That's their issue. Nobody forced the SEC teams to agree to play a 13th game
This post was edited on 12/9/08 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 12/9/08 at 2:53 pm to Chad504boy
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Chad504boy
Bull fricking shite. The SECCG has helped our teams a ton more than it has hurt us.
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