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OL Problems: The importance of having an experienced center
Posted on 10/15/09 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 10/15/09 at 5:13 pm
Not that I would blame all of our problems with the offensive line on T-bob, but I believe it is a major factor in why the line is underachieving this year. With this being said, I think T-bob has talent and will be a solid center before he leaves LSU but right now he is inexperienced, undersized, seems confused/timid at times, and it has severely affected our offensive production thus far.
This story (see link below) on ESPN explains how the key to a solid offensive line starts with the center.
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This story (see link below) on ESPN explains how the key to a solid offensive line starts with the center.
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This post was edited on 10/15/09 at 5:14 pm
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Posted on 10/15/09 at 5:20 pm to LSUDuckAssassin
The staff's utter refusal to play Hebert's backup Lonergan (who arguably should have started all along), as well as other OL backups, is inexplicable. Even more so than their failure to meaningfully integrate true frosh skill players (RR, RS) into the offense.
Posted on 10/15/09 at 5:36 pm to southern man
Southern Man, what's the obsession with Lonergan?? Just come out and tell everyone that he is your brother, cousin, or something. Yeah, I understand Lonergan has SO MUCH experience that he brings to the table,right??. Get off your soapbox and watch what the real issues are offensively. When I mean watch, watch replays & isolate on your favorite target to criticize then you will come to the realization that he has been quite steady thus far. And, to your disliking, he is only gonna get better.
Posted on 10/15/09 at 5:40 pm to southern man
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Lonergan (who arguably should have started all along)
based on what exactly?
Posted on 10/15/09 at 5:47 pm to ATLTiger
Why? Because he's bigger, stronger, fully participated in spring practice, and he didn't have major knee surgery less than a year ago. I think both should have played--as Miles said they would before the UW game--and by now they could have figured out who was ahead of the other. I have no dog in the hunt--I just remember Miles (and a Morning Advocate article pre-season) saying they were neck and neck. The team would be better off if both had been playing. So put T-Bob's picture down and toss the towel in the washing machine.
Posted on 10/15/09 at 6:02 pm to southern man
So Southern Man, I guess it all a conspiracy concerning the center position, huh? Come on, like I said earlier, watch the replays & very much to your disliking, you will see LSU's center is holding his own and making progress. You must be a closet Tulane fan or something because it is obvious you have an obsession against the starting Center at this point. If you would have some valid reasons, I would understand. By the way, have you ever played an second of ball in your entire life?
Posted on 10/15/09 at 6:05 pm to southern man
Southern Man, you are correct in that Lonergan was ahead of T-Bob. Tiger Rag article recently said the problem lies at the big feet of T-Bob. I observed on both 4th down plays in the Georgia game he got stuffed on both attempts. The only two changes on the o-line from last year is T-Bob & Dworaczyk. Need to try Lonergan & Blackwell in the bye week and see if the running game improves. Outnumber, you are now Outnumbered.
Posted on 10/15/09 at 6:09 pm to Outnumbered
Given the performance of the offense thus far--especially judged against the rest of the D-1 (or whatever they're called) teams--its safe to say the offensive line has underperformed. And working in other players who were ready to play (according to preseason reports) makes sense and would make the team stronger. And I don't need to beat my chest re my experience to confirm that I know what I'm talking about.
Posted on 10/15/09 at 6:10 pm to aglandry
Center is absolutely the most important position on the OL. It may be time to give Patrick a try and work him in.
Posted on 10/15/09 at 6:13 pm to Outnumbered
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So Southern Man, I guess it all a conspiracy concerning the center position, huh? Come on, like I said earlier, watch the replays & very much to your disliking, you will see LSU's center is holding his own and making progress
You must be kidding right? A negatiger actually watch the games and replays to gain factual information to back up their idiotic viewpoints?
You're just wasting your time man. He's just like all the other "rantards" on here. No actual understanding of the game and how it is actually coached or played. When you get all your opinions from either the newspapers or the color commentators on TV what chance do you think you have to actually educate them!
Posted on 10/15/09 at 6:16 pm to Outnumbered
Outnumbered, way to call him out. Way too many people post on here with no real knowledge of what they post about. they simply make shite up. it's like a negative frenzy. they will read what others say and then attack based on what they say. i'm sorry to say, our talk show media does this very same thing; to hell with investigating the truth; just blast away. anyway, sorry for the soapbox discussion, but i appreciate your post.
Posted on 10/15/09 at 6:17 pm to Outnumbered
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what's the obsession with Lonergan?? Just come out and tell everyone that he is your brother, cousin, or something.
says the guy who has made all 4 of his posts proclaiming the greatness of the weakest o-lineman in LSU history. We can't even get an inch on a sneak play anymore with T-Bob in there.
This post was edited on 10/15/09 at 6:18 pm
Posted on 10/15/09 at 6:52 pm to LSUDuckAssassin
I said this last season to people but I thought Brett Helms was underrated, not that Black or Johnson were overrated, just that Helms didn't get enough of the credit. Everyone talks about the new guys for good reason, but from what I've noticed, Barksdale and Black don't have to worry one bit about being All-SEC, first, second, or third team. They aren't playing as well as they did last year IMO just on their own guy, and one reason for Black someone suggested is that he didn't have to worry about the inside rush when big Herman was next to him. Makes sense to me.
Posted on 10/15/09 at 6:59 pm to Outnumbered
Ben Wilkerson started as a True Sophpmore at center for Saban. If your good, no reason you can't start on OL line after 1 year in the system. If your are not SEC calibier time will not solve the problem.
Posted on 10/15/09 at 7:21 pm to LSS
He was definitely the exception and not the rule. He was very well coached in HS and already had a good build. He also stepped into the center spot with a pretty good line around him. If you look around D1 football, most O Linemen don't play at all for 2 years while they bulk up and learn technique. Most don't start until they are Juniors. That's just how it works, especially in the SEC.
Posted on 10/15/09 at 7:33 pm to misey94
I don't know enough to comment. But we have trouble running up the middle and pass protecting.
if a tackle gets beat or the qb holds the ball to long its not the centers fault.
I havn't watched films of these players so I cannot say why we cannot get movement on the ol,not even 3rd and inches.
T-bob might need another year in the weight room to compete better in the SEC I'm sure he can put another 25 pounds on. Can you Play 2 centers?
Without watching game films this is pure speculation. Maybe its our gaurds?
if a tackle gets beat or the qb holds the ball to long its not the centers fault.
I havn't watched films of these players so I cannot say why we cannot get movement on the ol,not even 3rd and inches.
T-bob might need another year in the weight room to compete better in the SEC I'm sure he can put another 25 pounds on. Can you Play 2 centers?
Without watching game films this is pure speculation. Maybe its our gaurds?
This post was edited on 10/15/09 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 10/15/09 at 7:37 pm to LSUDuckAssassin
My question is why cant they move the OL around to other position. Like maybe our starting quard to Center and play the quards backup.
Saban did it.
Saban did it.
Posted on 10/15/09 at 7:40 pm to gotygers
T-Bob is 300 pounds and is one of the strongest players let alone lineman on the team. Watch the film and notice that has contained his man better and more consistent than any other on the line.
Not saying he is perfect yet, but he is not undersized or not strong enough....and to all you bafoons who keep saying he is are ridiculously mis-informed. Is T-Bob just your easy scapegoat?
Shouldn't the seniors in Black and Hitt pick up the slack for this line and make the younger players job easier? You would think...but certainly not the case.
Not saying he is perfect yet, but he is not undersized or not strong enough....and to all you bafoons who keep saying he is are ridiculously mis-informed. Is T-Bob just your easy scapegoat?
Shouldn't the seniors in Black and Hitt pick up the slack for this line and make the younger players job easier? You would think...but certainly not the case.
Posted on 10/15/09 at 7:40 pm to DeafVallyBatnR
Good point Deaf.
Posted on 10/15/09 at 7:46 pm to gotygers
Show T-bob is listed at 286.
However I agree with you on pass blocking on tv they issolated on him and he looked good.
He's only a soph and coming off an injury.
By the time he's a senior he could be a very spec. player.
As far as his stregnth, I was just speculating,I stand corrected.
However I agree with you on pass blocking on tv they issolated on him and he looked good.
He's only a soph and coming off an injury.
By the time he's a senior he could be a very spec. player.
As far as his stregnth, I was just speculating,I stand corrected.
This post was edited on 10/15/09 at 7:48 pm
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