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Dell "I suck at being a GM" Demps
Posted on 3/11/16 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 3/11/16 at 1:24 pm
Why the hell hasn't Benson or Loomis fired this joke? He ran Monty Williams out and Monty had us going in the right direction with the wrong players. Dell Demps, from the outside looking in and compared to other GM's in the same situation, you suck. Sorry!
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Posted on 3/11/16 at 1:26 pm to Wizkid124212
Finally someone says what we've all been thinking.
This post was edited on 3/11/16 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 3/11/16 at 1:30 pm to Wizkid124212
Posted on 3/11/16 at 1:30 pm to AlabamasSalaryCap
quote:Lol what? There's literally a thread every other day about how shitty Demps. This board is the just the same recycled garbage over and over.
Finally someone says what we've all been thinking.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 1:34 pm to tgr4ever
When recognizing sarcasm fails..
Posted on 3/11/16 at 1:45 pm to Wizkid124212
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Why the hell hasn't Benson or Loomis fired this joke?
What benefit is there in firing him now? Is anyone really upset about signing Orlando Johnson? This is the one area where Demps has shown great skill. He turns pennies into nickels and nickels into dimes at a very high rate. It's the bigger denominations where it's been a lot more miss than hit.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 1:46 pm to Wizkid124212
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He ran Monty Williams out and Monty had us going in the right direction
Monty getting fired was the right move.
Gentry getting subsequently hired was the major, major fail.
Demps will get fired after the season.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 1:54 pm to Fun Bunch
Monty should have never been fired. Demps didn't see eye to eye with Monty. Minty wanted defensive players, Demps got him offensive. Gentry, doesn't have enough athletic players to succeed. He will do well when we get a real GM.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 2:00 pm to Wizkid124212
Monty was terrible
Posted on 3/11/16 at 2:17 pm to Wizkid124212
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Monty should have never been fired.
Recency bias. He definitely should have been.
Gentry was just the wrong hire.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 3:19 pm to Fun Bunch
It is quite amazing to see the turnaround on Dell. 2-3 years ago most fans wanted to crucify anyone that didn't fall in line with the near deification people expected Dell to be treated with.
Pointing out the Bayless trade, questioning the Jrue or Evans signings was tantamount to sacrilege and dismissed as insanity for questioning his greatness.
....Times, they are a changing.
Pointing out the Bayless trade, questioning the Jrue or Evans signings was tantamount to sacrilege and dismissed as insanity for questioning his greatness.
....Times, they are a changing.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 3:30 pm to NOLA Bronco
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questioning the Jrue or Evans signings was tantamount to sacrilege
What board were you reading? This board was about 50/50 on the Jrue trade and even less so on the evans trade.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 3:34 pm to JohnnyKilroy
No shite.
I had a meltdown the night of the Tyreke Evans deal.
I had a meltdown the night of the Tyreke Evans deal.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 3:42 pm to NOLA Bronco
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Pointing out the Bayless trade
He turned Bayless into Jack who became RoLo. That's actually not a bad return on a late teen pick had we kept either Jack or RoLo.
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questioning the Jrue
I'm still waiting for someone to tell me a better move than Jrue. I see some equivalent moves, but this team's biggest problem is not enough 2 way players and all using those picks would have done was add more one way players to the roster.
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Evans signings was tantamount to sacrilege
There were plenty of people questioning the Tyreke signing as soon as it happened and they never stopped questioning it.
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Times, they are a changing.
Yes he's made some bad deals, but that's not why people are ready to be done with him. Had Monty/Demps been able to coexist another year and we're the 6 seed right now, this board isn't obsessing daily about what a terrible GM he is. Demps got Monty fired specifically to add a coach like Gentry to make THIS roster work. On top of that huge miscalculation you have the repeated injury problems which all seem to share a common thread of players playing when they shouldn't. Whether it's the coaches, trainers, or doctors, it's been going on long enough that Demps should have fixed it.
It's not all on Demps either, Benson is allegedly a source of the win now pressure and Loomis is the one that chose to double down on Demps when there was no cost to changing directions. People think Demps was afraid of JVG and Thibs, I wonder if Loomis was too. Bill Parcells made some comments on why he wasn't Payton's interim coach suggesting Loomis was intimidated by his strong personality.
Hate on Demps all you want, but firing him may not actually solve the problem if the root comes from higher up the chain of command.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 4:10 pm to TigerinATL
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Hate on Demps all you want, but firing him may not actually solve the problem if the root comes from higher up the chain of command.
I really don't like Loomis's involvement with this team. I hate the fact that one of the highest people in the chain of command isn't a basketball guy.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 4:11 pm to TigerinATL
It is not like Rolo could not have been gotten in another manner at that particular moment in time when his value was at an all time low. The Bayless trade was win now, short sighted trash. Even in the context you frame it it wasnt a worthy trade when that player ended up being Tobias Harris or Montejunas, Faried, Mitotic, or Reggie Jackson. Which were all the sequence that happened for that pick we gave up. Players on rookie contracts that could be built with or moved for quality pieces. The fact when we looked to trade Bayless again, we couldn't get something of equal value we just gave up shows Dell overpaid.
Rolo was one of Dell's smarter moves, letting him go for Evans was not.
Jrue will possibly prove his worth if he can remain healthy. But you are intentionally closing your mind if you think that is the maximum return we could of ever hoped to get when rebuilding.
Blaming Benson is also just rationalizing bad decision making. Who nudged who in what direction is up for grabs. But we do know that before Benson ever got here, Demps had lined up a trade for CP3 that would of put us into late lottery hell and prevented us from ever properly rebuilding.
Rolo was one of Dell's smarter moves, letting him go for Evans was not.
Jrue will possibly prove his worth if he can remain healthy. But you are intentionally closing your mind if you think that is the maximum return we could of ever hoped to get when rebuilding.
Blaming Benson is also just rationalizing bad decision making. Who nudged who in what direction is up for grabs. But we do know that before Benson ever got here, Demps had lined up a trade for CP3 that would of put us into late lottery hell and prevented us from ever properly rebuilding.
This post was edited on 3/11/16 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 3/11/16 at 4:12 pm to NOLA Bronco
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But you are intentionally closing your mind if you think that is the maximum return we could of ever hoped to get when rebuilding.
Given the info available at the time, what would you have done?
Posted on 3/11/16 at 4:18 pm to TigerinATL
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I'm still waiting for someone to tell me a better move than Jrue.
A better move than 2 top 10 picks for a guy entering a 4/$44m deal who played 74 games in 2 years, was on a minutes restriction for about half his third year, and will be looking for a 9 figure contract next summer? I think I can come up with a few.
I'm waiting for someone to explain how that trade has actually made much of an impact on the product, so far.
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all using those picks would have done was add more one way players to the roster.
Noel has skills on offense. All he has to be is a threat on dives, like Tyson Chandler or DeAndre Jordan. He is that plus good defense, regardless of size or whatever people want to regurgitate on this board. He can be a 5 on a good team.
As for the next year, things are iffy. They would have been worse than 34 wins, likely. Maybe they are high enough take Exum or Smart or Saric. Not ideal, but those guys in the NBA are still good, young, cheap players.
This past year is the kick in the nuts. They certainly don't win 45 games and get the 8 seed, but look at picks 10-15. Winslow, Turner, Lyles, Booker, Payne, even Oubre. Instead they had to fix a previous mistake they made when they kicked things off with the Holiday trade so they could win 45 games and an 8 seed.
Add to this fact that cheap rookies means you actually have the ability to build depth on your team. Plus you are flexible enough in cap space and assets to make moves- to sign veteran help, to take on salary dumps, to even trade those rookies for a better piece, etc. It's not just Jrue > Noel/Payton
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It's not all on Demps either
Sure. I don't know how anyone can have any confidence that Benson, Loomis, Demps, whoever has any clue as to what they are doing. This is a poorly run NBA team from top to bottom.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 4:23 pm to NOLA Bronco
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you are intentionally closing your mind if you think that is the maximum return we could of ever hoped to get when rebuilding.
I'm not closing my mind, I've asked people repeatedly to open it and nobody has been able to. Nerlens Noel is the most common response to a better alternative than Jrue. Noel is a nice player but I'd rather have Jrue.
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Blaming Benson is also just rationalizing bad decision making.
Questioning Benson's role in things is wondering if anything substantive will change if Demps is replaced, it's not absolving Demps of any blame.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 4:28 pm to corndeaux
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a guy entering a 4/$44m deal who played 74 games in 2 years, was on a minutes restriction for about half his third year
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Noel has skills on offense. All he has to be is a threat on dives, like Tyson Chandler or DeAndre Jordan. He is that plus good defense, regardless of size or whatever people want to regurgitate on this board. He can be a 5 on a good team.
You remember that Noel had to take off nearly 2 years due to his knee almost exploding right?
So if you had a choice between player A, a guy on a fair contract who has yet to have any serious injury issues coming off an all star appearance, or player B, a center who won't play for at least a year because he suffered a catastrophic knee injury midway through the last season, you would take player B?
Nerlens has worked out for philly thus far, but you have to evaluate the trade based on the information available when the trade was made.
You can't bash a roster move that didn't work out because a player with no KNOWN injury issues gets injured after acquiring him.
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