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Posted on 9/30/16 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 9/30/16 at 12:16 pm
I'm really wanting to take a more low-carb approach to my diet, but not necessarily ready to hit a full on Keto just yet.
What I'm confused about and would like some feed back on, is about saturated fats and cholesterol. For years doctors have been advocating low sat diets but now that doesn't seem like it's as bad as they once put on, but many of them still say to avoid saturated fats.
Also, what about cholesterol? I love eggs, but you're supposed to stay under 300 chol. That's like 2 eggs...now it seems like that's not the case either.
So, what's the truth to it all?
What I'm confused about and would like some feed back on, is about saturated fats and cholesterol. For years doctors have been advocating low sat diets but now that doesn't seem like it's as bad as they once put on, but many of them still say to avoid saturated fats.
Also, what about cholesterol? I love eggs, but you're supposed to stay under 300 chol. That's like 2 eggs...now it seems like that's not the case either.
So, what's the truth to it all?
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 12:18 pm to TM32
Egg whites.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 12:24 pm to TM32
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So, what's the truth to it all?
Just don't eat like shite. Goodness gracious ya'll make this way more complicated than it needs to be.
If a certain food tastes really good, or is processed, it's probably not good for you. Just avoid those.
This post was edited on 9/30/16 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 9/30/16 at 12:29 pm to TM32
Cholesterol is more genetic than anything. I've got a sister who can eat mcdonalds for 4 meals a day for a month and her cholesterol numbers will be pristine.
Just eat whole, clean, minimally processed foods. Plenty of meat, fish, eggs, vegetables, and whole fruit. It really isn't that hard. If you have to open a bag or a box to eat it, you probably shouldn't.
Just eat whole, clean, minimally processed foods. Plenty of meat, fish, eggs, vegetables, and whole fruit. It really isn't that hard. If you have to open a bag or a box to eat it, you probably shouldn't.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 12:32 pm to TM32
I eat eggs, bacon, red meat, butter, heavy cream etc all the time. Like literally every day. My cholesterol went from 225 to 185 since eating like that. It was 225 while I was doing low fat everything, lean meat etc.
I know it's anecdotal, but I dont think cholesterol or saturated fat is bad at all. I also remember reading that cholesterol is actually good for brain functions and they think the low cholesterol diets are what's leading to increasing Alzheimer's.
I know it's anecdotal, but I dont think cholesterol or saturated fat is bad at all. I also remember reading that cholesterol is actually good for brain functions and they think the low cholesterol diets are what's leading to increasing Alzheimer's.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 12:36 pm to TM32
First: Dietary chol does not impact blood chol. This myth needs to die.
Second: Typical total chol tests are worthless, and widely regarded as outdated, but change is slow.
Third: If you want a REAL test, then you need an LDL-P test, which is a true measure.
Long story short, you can have a great report on your typical chol test and be near a heart attack, you can have a horrible test and be just fine. LDP-P is what really matters.
Second: Typical total chol tests are worthless, and widely regarded as outdated, but change is slow.
Third: If you want a REAL test, then you need an LDL-P test, which is a true measure.
Long story short, you can have a great report on your typical chol test and be near a heart attack, you can have a horrible test and be just fine. LDP-P is what really matters.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 12:37 pm to TM32
cook with olive oil or vegetable oil instead of butter
dont eat out
dont fry anything
drink gin or vodka instead of beer, whiskey, or scotch
dont eat dessert more than a couple times a week
dont eat until you are bloated, only eat until you are full
eat more at lunch and breakfast and less at dinner
dont eat out
dont fry anything
drink gin or vodka instead of beer, whiskey, or scotch
dont eat dessert more than a couple times a week
dont eat until you are bloated, only eat until you are full
eat more at lunch and breakfast and less at dinner
Posted on 9/30/16 at 12:38 pm to SirSaintly
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I know it's anecdotal, but I dont think cholesterol or saturated fat is bad at all. I also remember reading that cholesterol is actually good for brain functions and they think the low cholesterol diets are what's leading to increasing Alzheimer's.
Correct.
Cholesterol is also vital to hormone production. And every man over 35 needs to be more concerned about Testosterone than any BS cholesterol test.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 12:39 pm to Upperdecker
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vegetable oil
WTF is this shite?
Omega 6 to omega 3 ratio is all jacked up. Stay away from vegetable, canola, etc oil.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 12:40 pm to Upperdecker
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eat more at lunch and breakfast and less at dinner
This does not matter.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 12:41 pm to TM32
Saturated fats are bad and you should avoid them. You should never consume more than 20 grams of saturated fat per day on average.
It's a heart killer.
Mediterranean diet. Olive oil instead of butter. Grilled fish and meats.
It's a heart killer.
Mediterranean diet. Olive oil instead of butter. Grilled fish and meats.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 12:42 pm to Upperdecker
That's some shitty broscience right there
Posted on 9/30/16 at 12:42 pm to TM32
Whole eggs contain the good type of cholesterol, continue to eat them.
Fat's are actually quite good for you and your body. I think the 90's fad of everything being non-fat to low fat is starting to fade.
What you need to stay away from is processed foods, oils, carbs.
Yeaaaaa that doesn't do anything
Fat's are actually quite good for you and your body. I think the 90's fad of everything being non-fat to low fat is starting to fade.
What you need to stay away from is processed foods, oils, carbs.
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eat more at lunch and breakfast and less at dinner
Yeaaaaa that doesn't do anything
This post was edited on 9/30/16 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 9/30/16 at 12:43 pm to TM32
Imagine you're a caveman with no fast food places or grocery stores, But plenty of animals and fish. Eat like that.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 12:44 pm to TM32
As far as the transition to a low-carb approach, I help tons of people who mess this up and try to move too fast.
Here's what I usually recommend, and it almost always works.
4wks on a isocaloric diet (equal % of calories from carbs, protein, fat). Probably puts you around 150-175g of carbs a day (depending on your total cals).
Every week thereafter, take out 20g of carbs and replace calories with fat. Protein stays constant.
After 4 more weeks, you are down to around 80g of carbs, which is spitting distance away from starting a keto approach.
But instead of jumping more, you are gonna chill at around 80g of carbs a day and assess how you feel and perform for about 2wks.
Feeling great, then lower to 50g a day for 6wks.
How are you feeling, looking, sleeping, performing?
Great? Then keep it up.
This transition makes it easier, results in minimal "low carb flu" and helps you determine whether you are someone who does better on moderate carbs vs. low. These people do exist, and they usually are poor fat digesters.
Here's what I usually recommend, and it almost always works.
4wks on a isocaloric diet (equal % of calories from carbs, protein, fat). Probably puts you around 150-175g of carbs a day (depending on your total cals).
Every week thereafter, take out 20g of carbs and replace calories with fat. Protein stays constant.
After 4 more weeks, you are down to around 80g of carbs, which is spitting distance away from starting a keto approach.
But instead of jumping more, you are gonna chill at around 80g of carbs a day and assess how you feel and perform for about 2wks.
Feeling great, then lower to 50g a day for 6wks.
How are you feeling, looking, sleeping, performing?
Great? Then keep it up.
This transition makes it easier, results in minimal "low carb flu" and helps you determine whether you are someone who does better on moderate carbs vs. low. These people do exist, and they usually are poor fat digesters.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 12:45 pm to LSUfan20005
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WTF is this shite?
Omega 6 to omega 3 ratio is all jacked up. Stay away from vegetable, canola, etc oil.
There's an appropriate amount of everything that you can have. If you arent drowning your dishes in vegetable oil every meal, youll be fine, and better off than cooking with butter
Posted on 9/30/16 at 12:49 pm to SirSaintly
Bro in law ate high fat diet all his life. Lots of eggs, mayo, ice cream, red meat, fried foods. He is in his 50s and had a heart attack this week.
He is still in hospital, after surgery but is very lucky. One of his blocked arteries was very close to what the cardiologists call the widow maker.
His bad cholesterol is 130. Cardiologists said they don't like to see anyone with bad cholesterol above 100. Now that he has had a heart attack, they say he must keep it below 70. Said he has no choice now. If he doesn't keep it below 70, he won't live much longer.
Said he must change diet, he has no choice (unless he chooses death). He is about 5'9" 200 lbs.
He is still in hospital, after surgery but is very lucky. One of his blocked arteries was very close to what the cardiologists call the widow maker.
His bad cholesterol is 130. Cardiologists said they don't like to see anyone with bad cholesterol above 100. Now that he has had a heart attack, they say he must keep it below 70. Said he has no choice now. If he doesn't keep it below 70, he won't live much longer.
Said he must change diet, he has no choice (unless he chooses death). He is about 5'9" 200 lbs.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 12:51 pm to TM32
Go with egg whites and ditch the yolks.
However, studies now suggest that those pushing cholesterol as bad for you is bullshite.
Genetics are more of the issue in most cases.
However, studies now suggest that those pushing cholesterol as bad for you is bullshite.
Genetics are more of the issue in most cases.
This post was edited on 9/30/16 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 9/30/16 at 12:53 pm to iAmBatman
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That's some shitty broscience right there
Broscience is always shitty
Posted on 9/30/16 at 12:54 pm to LuckyTiger
The challenge (and actual risk) is when you pair a high fat diet with a high carb diet. It's a sliding scale.
Studies suggest that sugars can help transport cholesterol where it doesn't belong.
Now, I'd say that your friend wasn't eating a "high fat" diet, but rather a poor diet.
Mayo, fried foods = crap. Not part of a healthy approach to high fat.
Studies suggest that sugars can help transport cholesterol where it doesn't belong.
Now, I'd say that your friend wasn't eating a "high fat" diet, but rather a poor diet.
Mayo, fried foods = crap. Not part of a healthy approach to high fat.
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