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Should NFL teams that can’t make the playoffs shutdown their star players?
Posted on 12/20/18 at 7:54 am
Posted on 12/20/18 at 7:54 am
Cam Newton already. Maybe Rodgers. Maybe Odell.
Let’s look at the business side. Star player gets dinged up. He’s not 100%. He’s can play, but should he rest up for next season? The teams got to protect its investment, right? Especially from a “meaningless” game.
However, this might cause tension in the locker room now and down the road. Star players might think to himself that he’s got a nice guaranteed contact so it’s no point to push himself. Head coach and teamates might subtly call out the player (Giants and Odell). To the regular player, these are not meaningless games. That they are football players and that they worked their whole lives to be out there. And they would like the star player/leader teammate to be out there with them.
Let’s look at the business side. Star player gets dinged up. He’s not 100%. He’s can play, but should he rest up for next season? The teams got to protect its investment, right? Especially from a “meaningless” game.
However, this might cause tension in the locker room now and down the road. Star players might think to himself that he’s got a nice guaranteed contact so it’s no point to push himself. Head coach and teamates might subtly call out the player (Giants and Odell). To the regular player, these are not meaningless games. That they are football players and that they worked their whole lives to be out there. And they would like the star player/leader teammate to be out there with them.
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Posted on 12/20/18 at 7:55 am to PeteRose
They should sit all proven starters for two reasons. Better draft position, and see what the backups can do in live, regular season action.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 8:01 am to PeteRose
Yeah. I am sure season ticket holders would love this.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 8:01 am to TH03
Alot of contracts have incentives based on things like playing time and performance. Teams aren't going to frick the players over. I don't think it is good for moral to lose on purpose either. That's not the message you want to send.
This post was edited on 12/20/18 at 8:02 am
Posted on 12/20/18 at 8:02 am to PeteRose
Most players have a large part of compensation tied to hitting milestones like stats, games played etc
If it’s important to the player then they’ll play in those games
If it’s important to the player then they’ll play in those games
Posted on 12/20/18 at 8:03 am to PeteRose
Can they not pay them too?
Posted on 12/20/18 at 8:07 am to PeteRose
It could affect fantasy football revenue because who wants to dominate league and have all his stars sit out their championship game and have a 5-8 team win it all?
Posted on 12/20/18 at 8:11 am to PeteRose
What is this, bowl season? 
It depends upon their current health IMO.
It depends upon their current health IMO.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 8:19 am to AUCE05
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Yeah. I am sure season ticket holders would love this.
I don't get this complaint. Season ticket holders, of all people, should understand the strategic advantages of sitting your stars once you're out of contention. Winning meaningless games is actually worse for you than losing them.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 8:19 am to PeteRose
Logically? Absolutely.
You’ll have a lot of crappy foorball in December, so I wouldn’t advocate for it. But it’s the logical thing to do.
You’ll have a lot of crappy foorball in December, so I wouldn’t advocate for it. But it’s the logical thing to do.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 8:20 am to PeteRose
I think being an nfl players requires you to be an ultra competitive alpha male. I don’t think guys in any locker on bad teams are worried about the next years rookie class when they may be released or traded or whatever at any time. Nfl players want to win or at the very least hate to lose.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 8:21 am to diat150
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Alot of contracts have incentives based on things like playing time and performance. Teams aren't going to frick the players over. I don't think it is good for moral to lose on purpose either. That's not the message you want to send.
If the players are indifferent, they should sit. Handling it on a team by team, player by player basis would be best.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 8:22 am to PeteRose
Only if they injuried. They are professionals and no one wants to lose. They are all playing/coaching for their job.
This post was edited on 12/20/18 at 8:22 am
Posted on 12/20/18 at 8:23 am to Hamma1122
The correct answer is it depends.
Example A--Cam Newton.
Yes, in this case you have the guy who you are going to have to have carry the team on his shoulders to a large degree if you are going deep into the playoffs not at anywhere near 100 percent and playing what will likely be meaningless games. Say by some miracle the Panthers do make it in as the six seed this year. Anyone seeing this team doing anything with a quarterback who is having to short arm every pass he throws in the playoffs? All you are risking is shutting your success window down sooner by having him miss part of next year recovering from more serious shoulder surgery than what he is going to have to have anyway as soon as the season ends. Also, the game with the Saints is probably not going to mean anything for New Orleans either so it is really a nothingburger game.
Example B--Aaron Rodgers.
Might as well sit him. Green Bay goes nowhere with or without him in the last two games. The Jets go nowhere whether he plays against them or not. The Lions go nowhere whether he plays against them or not. There is nothing to be gained by Green Bay there is nothing to be lost by either the Jets or Lions winning because he doesn't play. Don't care about draft order besides how often do the Jets or Lions get their first round picks right anyway.
Example C-- Carson Wentz.
Come on, he has a broken bone in his back. You don't dick around with that no matter what your playoff chances are. Go ahead and put him on IR already.
Examples D through Z--Baker Mayfield, Von Miller, and anyone else who might be playing in a game that could affect how the playoffs set up. In this case if you are healthy you play. I know, "spirit of the game" is so old school you can find it on the Dead Sea scrolls but I believe in it. Now if you are OBJ, A.C. Green, Andy Dalton, or some player with a real injury it is up to you and your coach.
I think a more interesting question will be what do Chicago and Minnesota do in the last week of the season if Chicago is going to be stuck in the 3 spot win or lose and Minnesota is going to be stuck in the 6 spot win or lose. How do you approach that game when you are looking at a rematch in the playoffs the very next week?
Example A--Cam Newton.
Yes, in this case you have the guy who you are going to have to have carry the team on his shoulders to a large degree if you are going deep into the playoffs not at anywhere near 100 percent and playing what will likely be meaningless games. Say by some miracle the Panthers do make it in as the six seed this year. Anyone seeing this team doing anything with a quarterback who is having to short arm every pass he throws in the playoffs? All you are risking is shutting your success window down sooner by having him miss part of next year recovering from more serious shoulder surgery than what he is going to have to have anyway as soon as the season ends. Also, the game with the Saints is probably not going to mean anything for New Orleans either so it is really a nothingburger game.
Example B--Aaron Rodgers.
Might as well sit him. Green Bay goes nowhere with or without him in the last two games. The Jets go nowhere whether he plays against them or not. The Lions go nowhere whether he plays against them or not. There is nothing to be gained by Green Bay there is nothing to be lost by either the Jets or Lions winning because he doesn't play. Don't care about draft order besides how often do the Jets or Lions get their first round picks right anyway.
Example C-- Carson Wentz.
Come on, he has a broken bone in his back. You don't dick around with that no matter what your playoff chances are. Go ahead and put him on IR already.
Examples D through Z--Baker Mayfield, Von Miller, and anyone else who might be playing in a game that could affect how the playoffs set up. In this case if you are healthy you play. I know, "spirit of the game" is so old school you can find it on the Dead Sea scrolls but I believe in it. Now if you are OBJ, A.C. Green, Andy Dalton, or some player with a real injury it is up to you and your coach.
I think a more interesting question will be what do Chicago and Minnesota do in the last week of the season if Chicago is going to be stuck in the 3 spot win or lose and Minnesota is going to be stuck in the 6 spot win or lose. How do you approach that game when you are looking at a rematch in the playoffs the very next week?
Posted on 12/20/18 at 8:25 am to PeteRose
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Especially from a “meaningless” game.
I see this mentality has now crept into the pros.
Fans need to get the frick over their team not winning the championship.
If fans sole interest is to see their team win the championship, sports are going to be a miserable experience for you for your entire life.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 8:54 am to slackster
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Handling it on a team by team, player by player basis would be best.
Yeah. If they want the extra money, they can play and take the risks in meaningless games, if not, no one will hate you for sitting out.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 8:59 am to 88Wildcat
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Example B--Aaron Rodgers.
Might as well sit him. Green Bay goes nowhere with or without him in the last two games. The Jets go nowhere whether he plays against them or not. The Lions go nowhere whether he plays against them or not. There is nothing to be gained by Green Bay there is nothing to be lost by either the Jets or Lions winning because he doesn't play. Don't care about draft order besides how often do the Jets or Lions get their first round picks right anyway.
I agree, but I would rather Rodgers play and build some rapport with his young receivers
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:45 am to PeteRose
So how do you think next years ticket sales would be affected.
If you set them down should they get paid or should ticket holders receive a refund?
If you set them down should they get paid or should ticket holders receive a refund?
Posted on 12/20/18 at 3:39 pm to Packer
If the rapport wasn’t there after training camp, practice, preseason or regular games then it’s not going to happen.
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