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How I Would Renovate Webb by Johnny Lawrence

Posted on 11/13/19 at 12:50 pm
Posted by The Johnny Lawrence
Member since Sep 2016
2216 posts
Posted on 11/13/19 at 12:50 pm
With it being too cold for golf, I figure this may be as good of a time as any for something I've been pondering for the last couple of months. If you gave me less $50,000 and told me to re do Webb and make it a top notch golf course, here are the things that I would do.

I'm far from a professional architect, and would love to hear your thoughts... good and bad. If you have other ideas, I'd love to hear those too. This is obviously never going to happen, but with the discussion of Webb the other day, it got me thinking about what I would do if I was in charge.

Most of the stuff is fairly simple and would not cost a lot of money, at least I don't think it would cost a lot of money.



Hole 1:

I'd add a center line bunker at 235-240. It would make most golfers ponder whether they want to take driver or lay up in front.





Hole 2:

I'd dig the lake out to make it bigger. Right now, unless the course is baked, it really isn't in play. It should be in play off the tee, considering the right side of the fairway is the better side of the fairway.





Hole 3- leave the same



Hole 4:

I'd take the low lying area behind the green where the grass is already high and wrap it around the left side of the green and then in front of the green. It wouldn't get too close to the green, but enough to where you'd have to lay up in front of it or hit a good long club into the green. You'd obviously have to leave a path from the cart path to the green. This wouldn't cost money, but would likely save a few bucks because it's less area to cut.





Hole 8:

Hole 8 is a terrible design because a lot of people choose to hit down number 2. I've marked with an x where I typically hit the ball. Hitting over the two trees with a sand wedge isn't really an issue. In order to incentivize taking on the trouble of the trap and OB, they need to build some mounding or berm by the trees which blocks the view of the green from 2 fairway. You would use the dirt you pulled from the lake on 2.





Hole 9: I'd add a bunker on the right center of the fairway, but I'd cut the grass on the right at fairway height.





Hole 10- leave alone



Hole 11: I'd add a water feature from the ditch on the left all the way across multiple fairways and let it end in a small lake that would be helpful for drainage (presumably). This would likely be short of most drives, but would be about 150 yards from the green.






Hole 12: Carry forward the same small creek, but remove a ton of trees. Right now, the trees obstruct the fairway and landing area. I'd also add a third tee further back. Everywhere that is a red circle is a tree I'd take out.






Hole 13: This would be a template hole- Tillinghast's Great Hazard. If you hit a good drive and a good second shot, it would be unlikely to ever come into play. If you don't hit either of those good, it would be brutal. It's 50 yards wide and starts 200 yards from the hole and ends 150 yards from the hole.





Rest of the golf course would be left alone, except for a wall of ivy or bricks or something that would obstruct the view of the creek from the golf course.






I had another idea a while back about selling the golf course off on the other side of the creek and college and had a decent 9 holer laid out, but I can't find the post.


Posted by DirtyE
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 11/13/19 at 1:24 pm to
Found it for you:

LINK
Posted by reauxl tigers
Tiger Woods Fan
Member since Aug 2014
9944 posts
Posted on 11/13/19 at 2:54 pm to
I would expand the size of the #3 green. Too small of a green to have so much slope and there's almost no way to avoid the slope no matter where the flag is. Also cut the grass around that green to fairway height so when you have to chip uphill after missing the green, you can actually generate some spin on the golf ball instead of have it roll out as soon as it contacts the green.
Posted by The Johnny Lawrence
Member since Sep 2016
2216 posts
Posted on 11/13/19 at 3:49 pm to
Took forever, but I finally found it. I may have to google maps this one when work slows down again:



I'm working through this in my head.

If you went to a 9 hole, you could sell off the 5 holes on the other side of college and the 1.75 holes on the left side of the ditch. Turn 1 and 9 into a range and add a short game area. Play 10, 11, 12, 13. 14 tee would be combined with 17 tee and moved on the other side of 16 green and you'd play a shortish par 3 towards 2 tee. Move two tee up 50 yards. Play 2, 8, wrap around between 2 tee and the new par threes green. Play 17(now a long par 3), 18.

Edit to add:
Thought about this on the way home a good bit.

First, if it is next to a road or ditch, it gets a big bush all the way down. Make it much nicer looking than the green poles that are currently there.

You'd take out the trees between 1 and 9. 1 tee to 9 green would be the short game area. The putting green would stay the same, but no chipping. The driving range would start on the other side of 9 green and 1 tee and go the length of 1/9. You'd have to put up a net down the road.

#1...start on 10. I'd move the cart path on 10, wrap it from the right of the tee, turn left in front of the tee and go up the left side of the fairway. I'd tee everyone up on the front of the current tee box and probably build the box out further and make the green basically drive able for almost everyone. I'd put the tee where you could hit a good 3w or hybrid over the trap or a 4i to the left of the trap. Over the trap in the right side towards the tree, I'd make fairway instead of rough. Give you a good spot to land the ball that isn't near the road. On this hole, if you were to hit driver, you'd have a small chance of getting it on the green. It then becomes a real risk reward.

#2... Play 11 as 2. I'd leave it the same, with the exception of the bushes down the left side.

#3... Play 12 as 3. 12's tee would be extended down towards 13 green and I'd cut back those trees so you could hit a ball through it.

#4... 13 would get a couple big bunkers on the right center of the fairway and some bunkers about 75 yards from the green on the left side. Some bunkers if around the green as well. How this hole is this long currently without any trouble anywhere really is shocking.

#5... New hole. The new tee on the other side of 16s current green. It would be one giant tee, think Old Course big. Basically would wrap around that oak tree that is there and would be the signature design feature of the new course. It would wrap from the current 14 tee all the way around 17 tee down 16 fairway. You'd put a new green towards two tee about 125 yards away. Maybe a double green with 17 could be cool.

#6... 6 would be 2. It would have the water more in play, because the tees may move to accommodate the new green. I'd also put a bunker behind the green to keep more balls in play. Bushes down the ditch and road.

#7... You'd play the current no. 8 as hole 7. I'd restructure the green on 8. Id put a huge bunker on the right side and slope it right to left. Prevent people from going down two on the tee shot.

#8... Play 17 as hole 8. 17 would play the same, except it could play much longer.

#9.... Finish on the current 18.it would play the same except you could also play from the old 14 tee, in tournaments or for the scratch golfer. Would give you at least 490 yards.




That was much more fun than I thought it'd be, but now my wife is wondering g what I've been doing for the last 20 minutes.


Tldr: I got bored and redesigned Webble Beach.

This post was edited on 10/16 at 8:21 pm
Posted by htcthc321
Member since Oct 2010
1750 posts
Posted on 11/13/19 at 4:49 pm to
Too cold for golf?

shite we played Beaver Creek today and literally had the entire golf course to ourselves all day. $20 Hot Deal on GolfNow and the course is as good as I've ever seen it
Posted by nugget
Abrego Garcia Fan
Member since Dec 2009
15696 posts
Posted on 11/13/19 at 6:42 pm to
I don’t think you realize what 50k gets you
Posted by lucaslsu
LSU!
Member since Oct 2007
8612 posts
Posted on 11/13/19 at 7:02 pm to
Build a range. Build a range. Build a range.
Posted by BallChamp00
Member since May 2015
7477 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 6:47 am to
Sell all land across the creek as well as 10-11-12-13.

Create a lighted executive Par 3 course with a clubhouse and bar area.
Posted by Zanzibaw
BR
Member since Jun 2016
2954 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 6:59 am to
quote:

Create a lighted executive Par 3 course with a clubhouse and bar area.


While that area is coming around, I'm not sure night golf is the way to go around there at the moment.
Posted by BLIZZAKE7
BRLA
Member since Apr 2005
6250 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 7:25 am to
some good thoughts but I would curse you for what you have proposed for 11 and 12.
Posted by BallChamp00
Member since May 2015
7477 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 7:44 am to
quote:

While that area is coming around, I'm not sure night golf is the way to go around there at the moment.



Ive worked at Howell, I am good anywhere.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42121 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 9:08 pm to
Change hole 10 to hole 1
Lengthen hole by putting tee box where pool was.
Add traps down right side

Put traps back on hold 11 where they use to be.

12 is fine
13 needs more trees to replace old trees at top of hill. Add lake behind 12 tee box and extend to street left of green.

14, 15, 16 are find.
Add traps to 17
18 is fine

1 needs to be tightened such that you have to tee off with a long iron or a high lifted wood. Add traps
2 extend lake on 8 towards 2 fairway and right of 2 green
3 shrink green to old design, small banked green with trap in front.
4 ok
5 add trap right of green
6 restore fairway traps
7 add trees to restore dog leg
8 use to be OB right side. Never liked that, I’d add trees down right side and heavily trap right of green. Add tree too.
9 is fine

Haven’t played there in years, posting ftom memory
Posted by nerdmachine
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2019
423 posts
Posted on 11/15/19 at 9:17 am to
Build a driving range and buy the apartments left of 14 and fairway view. Demolish apartments and you’ve got way more land to work with
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42121 posts
Posted on 11/15/19 at 10:15 am to
Bulldoze Fairway View would do the trick.
Also bulldoze the old pro shop.

Build a new clubhouse, parking, and driving range and putting green where Fairway View is now.

You could make 8 # 1. Lengthen the 8th hole. Move 9 green into old parking lot. Extend 1 and 10 tee backs to lengthen those two holes with the old parking lot and clubhouse gone.
Posted by SamtheSham
In a greenside bunker
Member since Nov 2018
492 posts
Posted on 11/17/19 at 2:44 pm to
quote:

would expand the size of the #3 green


I had to smile when I read this. If you think it's small now you should have seen it before about 1964. I never paced it but I doubt it was more than 12 steps deep - definitely a 1 club green.

17 was also considerably smaller than now; it was widened to the left and made deeper.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42121 posts
Posted on 11/17/19 at 3:07 pm to
quote:



I had to smile when I read this. If you think it's small now you should have seen it before about 1964. I never paced it but I doubt it was more than 12 steps deep - definitely a 1 club green.



The original #3 with that huge trap was a fine hole. It needs to be recreated.
Posted by SamtheSham
In a greenside bunker
Member since Nov 2018
492 posts
Posted on 11/17/19 at 3:46 pm to
Is the bunker still there? I've lived out of state for 50 years, so haven't played Webb but maybe 5 times in all those years, and don't remember if I saw it or not. One thing for sure, though, that was the meanest 120 yard hole you'll ever play.

Also one of my favorites since I made my first birdie there in 1958 at the age of 10.
Posted by MikeD
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
8245 posts
Posted on 11/17/19 at 5:52 pm to
quote:

One thing for sure, though, that was the meanest 120 yard hole you'll ever play.

That damn oak tree blocked nearly half the green. No way a draw was making it on the dance floor.
Posted by The Johnny Lawrence
Member since Sep 2016
2216 posts
Posted on 11/17/19 at 6:16 pm to
Was there a renovation at some point? It's like we are talking about a different golf course lol.

Posted by SamtheSham
In a greenside bunker
Member since Nov 2018
492 posts
Posted on 11/17/19 at 6:52 pm to
Well, you should have played that hole right- handed .

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