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Jimbo has coached 10 full seasons as a head coach - 3 or more losses in 7 of those seasons
Posted on 11/9/21 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 11/9/21 at 1:01 pm
Jimbo has coached 10 full seasons, with teams that had a talent advantage against virtually every opponent - he's lost 3 games or more in 7 of those 10 years. Why does anyone consider him to be elite?
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Posted on 11/9/21 at 1:02 pm to SpencerRob
How does that compare to other coaches who have been coach for similar lengths of time?
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 11/9/21 at 1:03 pm to SpencerRob
He’s Les Miles with a better offense.
It still isn’t an elite Offense and hasn’t been for a While.
It still isn’t an elite Offense and hasn’t been for a While.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 1:04 pm to SpencerRob
Nick Saban had 3 or more losses 9 times in his first 10 seasons P5.
Dabo Swinney had 3 or more losses in 5 of his first 10 seasons P5.
Dabo Swinney had 3 or more losses in 5 of his first 10 seasons P5.
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 11/9/21 at 1:08 pm to Ocardowin
Saban didn’t have a talent advantage in the overwhelming majority of his games at the beginning of his career.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 1:09 pm to SpencerRob
Wanting him to be the coach and saying that it’s more likely than not he’s going to be the coach (based on reliable media and insiders of the pay sites) are two different things.
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 11/9/21 at 1:09 pm to SpencerRob
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Saban didn’t have a talent advantage in the overwhelming majority of his games at the beginning of his career.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 1:10 pm to Chicken
Ryan Day was gifted a talent advantage like Jimbo to start his career. Day has never lost 3 games in a season. Very few head coaches get to start as head coaches with a perennial top 5 team with a loaded roster.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 1:11 pm to Chicken
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How does that compare to other coaches who have coaches similar lengths of time?
Here is the top 10 Active Coaches by winning %:
1. Day, OSU 0.903
2. DeBoer, Fresno 0.902
3. Riley, OU 0.846
4. Smart, UGA 0.806
5. Swinney, CU 0.803
6. Saban, UA 0.800
7. Clark, AppSt 0.778
8. Leipold, UK 0.774
9. Klieman, KSU 0.770
10. Fisher, aTm 0.764
Posted on 11/9/21 at 1:12 pm to Ocardowin
Jimbo's time has come and gone. He will not see a series of dominate success like Nick and Dabo. Nick's great success started when he was 50 and hasn’t stopped. Dabo's success started in his late 40's and may be coming to an end. It’s possible, but the likely hood of Jimbo Fisher starting an era of dominance at age 56 and later, don’t seem very likely. There are much better options.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 1:15 pm to Ocardowin
Saban’s first 6 years were at Toledo and Michigan State, then LSU coming off one of its worse decades in history.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 1:15 pm to Chicken
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How does that compare to other coaches who have coaches similar lengths of time?
In Saban’s first ten years as a head coach he had 3 or more losses in 8 of them with one national championship to his credit. I don’t want Jimbo but this thread is pointless.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 1:15 pm to SpencerRob
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Ryan Day was gifted a talent advantage like Jimbo to start his career. Day has never lost 3 games in a season. Very few head coaches get to start as head coaches with a perennial top 5 team with a loaded roster.
2010 Florida State (Jimbo year 1): 10-4
2009 Florida State: 7-6
2008 Florida State: 9-4
2007 Florida State: 7-6
2006 Florida State: 7-6
2019 Ohio State (Day year 1): 13-1
2018 Ohio State: 13-1 (day coached 3 of those wins)
2017 Ohio State: 12-2
2016 Ohio State: 12-2
2015 Ohio State: 12-1
Try again
Posted on 11/9/21 at 1:18 pm to DamnStrong1860
The point is Jimbo has always had a supremely talented roster, but loses an excessive number of games despite that advantage. If you don’t see how that is relevant to evaluating coaching ability, I can’t help you.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 1:19 pm to SpencerRob
I don't consider him elite 
Posted on 11/9/21 at 1:21 pm to SpencerRob
And none of these coaches have coached at a school that can pull recruits like LSU. So transitive property doesn’t work for coaching either.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 1:21 pm to SpencerRob
10 or more in 6 of those 10 seasons. 12 or more in 3.
By contrast.
Nick Saban first 10 seasons
7 seasons with 3 or more losses
First 10 P5 seasons
7 seasons with 3 or more losses
First 10 SEC seasons
6 seasons with 3 or more losses
By contrast.
Nick Saban first 10 seasons
7 seasons with 3 or more losses
First 10 P5 seasons
7 seasons with 3 or more losses
First 10 SEC seasons
6 seasons with 3 or more losses
Posted on 11/9/21 at 1:23 pm to SpencerRob
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The point is Jimbo has always had a supremely talented roster, but loses an excessive number of games despite that advantage.
At A&M, Jimbo has lost to:
2018 - #2 Clemson, @ #1 Alabama, @ Miss St, @ Auburn
2019 - @ #1 Clemson, @ # 8 Auburn, #1 Alabama, @ #4 Georgia, @ #2 LSU
2020 - @ #2 Alabama
2021 - # 16 Arkansas, Miss State
(Rankings at time of game)
Per 24/7's roster rankings, he only had the "superior" roster in 4 of those 12 losses (2018 Miss State, 2019 Auburn, 2021 Arkansas and Miss State)
Of those 4 "superior" roster losses, one was superior by a single spot in the rankings (2019 Auburn).
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 11/9/21 at 1:24 pm to SpencerRob
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Jimbo has coached 10 full seasons, with teams that had a talent advantage against virtually every opponent - he's lost 3 games or more in 7 of those 10 years. Why does anyone consider him to be elite?
LSU's W/L records from 2000-2004....
2000 LSU 8–4 5–3
2001 LSU 10–3 5–3
2002 LSU 8–5 5–3
2003 LSU 13–1 7–1
2004 LSU 9–3 6–2
Posted on 11/9/21 at 1:25 pm to SammyTiger
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He’s Les Miles with a better offense. It still isn’t an elite Offense and hasn’t been for a While.
Simply put, and pretty accurate. I agree.
(That said, and playing devils’ advocate against myself here, Les Miles with a little better offense is something I longed for for a long time, so I guess it isn’t the end of the world if it happens)
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 1:28 pm
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