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League management challenge: failure to start competitive lineup
Posted on 11/17/19 at 11:40 am
Posted on 11/17/19 at 11:40 am
This problem came up in week 7. How do you as commissioner handle this problem? The way I handled it has become controversial in my league. I'm interested in your outside opinions.
Team A doesn't start a kicker, doesn't start a linebacker (league is IDP), and starts Kamara who is out. Well known he'd be out since the Friday before. Team A is 1-5 at the time playing his friend (Team B) who is 3-3.
Team A has a healthy non bye kicker to start, a healthy non-bye RB to start, but his LB is on bye. Team A could have placed Kamara on IR and picked up an LB to start without having to waive anyone. IR is short term and Kamara can be activated after week 7.
Failed lineup is discovered at 4pm on Sunday. League rules state teams must have complete and competitive lineup. Failure to do so permits commish to correct the lineup.
Team A doesn't start a kicker, doesn't start a linebacker (league is IDP), and starts Kamara who is out. Well known he'd be out since the Friday before. Team A is 1-5 at the time playing his friend (Team B) who is 3-3.
Team A has a healthy non bye kicker to start, a healthy non-bye RB to start, but his LB is on bye. Team A could have placed Kamara on IR and picked up an LB to start without having to waive anyone. IR is short term and Kamara can be activated after week 7.
Failed lineup is discovered at 4pm on Sunday. League rules state teams must have complete and competitive lineup. Failure to do so permits commish to correct the lineup.
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Posted on 11/17/19 at 12:39 pm to minimal
Our league charges $5 for a loss. It's also $5 for a pick up. If you tank, you pay. If an owner quits setting his team, he is kicked out of league. Never happened in our 20-year old league.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 12:58 pm to minimal
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League rules state teams must have complete and competitive lineup. Failure to do so permits commish to correct the lineup.
Sounds like you answered your own question to me.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 1:01 pm to wrlakers
We've never had anyone quit. This is more a possible collusion/laziness giving advantage to one team over others.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 1:04 pm to TigerLunatik
How far do you take it though?
Do you make a free agent pickup to fill the LB spot? How do you select the player to pickup?
I'm trying not to say what action I took so it's a bit vague.
Do you make a free agent pickup to fill the LB spot? How do you select the player to pickup?
I'm trying not to say what action I took so it's a bit vague.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 1:08 pm to minimal
I've never been a commish, but I would say plug in the player projected to score the most points.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 1:23 pm to TigerLunatik
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plug in the player projected to score the most points.
IMO, this is problematic. Did you contact the owner and ask him what happened?
Posted on 11/17/19 at 1:27 pm to TigerLunatik
That is the action I took. Reset lineup and retroactively added an LB. Team A then beats Team B. Chose top ranked free agent LB per espn rank8ngs.
Team B owner and several other owners in league feel adding the LB was going too far.
My reaction is mostly it's just sour grapes, but resistance has been vehement. I honestly saw no other choice. I couldn't partially fix the lineup and just leave off LB. Had to take it all the way.
Team B owner and several other owners in league feel adding the LB was going too far.
My reaction is mostly it's just sour grapes, but resistance has been vehement. I honestly saw no other choice. I couldn't partially fix the lineup and just leave off LB. Had to take it all the way.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 1:28 pm to wrlakers
I did. The response was "oops, rough weekend" that was before I took corrective action.
This post was edited on 11/17/19 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 11/17/19 at 1:31 pm to minimal
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Team B owner and several other owners in league feel adding the LB was going too far.
I kinda agree. Rewards lazy owner with win retroactively. Why worry about setting my lineup if the commish will do it for me? Impose a per loss charge and owners will be more mindful.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 1:33 pm to wrlakers
Results affect standings which affects playoffs and payouts. Other owners see Team A throwing game. Team B is now ahead of them in standings.
$5 doesn't fix that when payouts are much higher than $5.
$5 doesn't fix that when payouts are much higher than $5.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 1:42 pm to minimal
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$5 doesn't fix that when payouts are much higher than $5.
Well, it adds up. I was previously in a league that charged $25 a week for losses. A bad year could get expensive.
I'm just saying that your handling of the situation could get problematic.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 1:46 pm to wrlakers
I appreciate the feedback. I'll give it some thought and include the idea in possible solutions during the off-season.
We're at a place now where there is no perfect solution, so it will take some creativity. This might work.
We're at a place now where there is no perfect solution, so it will take some creativity. This might work.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 1:51 pm to minimal
Yeah making the FA pick-up seems a tad too much,but if that's part of the rules 
Posted on 11/17/19 at 1:59 pm to castorinho
Rule is vaguish... "commish can fix lineup" Even if not vague, rule may need to be changed.
I'm a completionist. I see it as fix the problems for obviously intentional deficient lineup. To me leaving out LB is like not taking action.
Not rewarding laziness, insuring integrity. But I know my perspective may be the outlier.
I'm a completionist. I see it as fix the problems for obviously intentional deficient lineup. To me leaving out LB is like not taking action.
Not rewarding laziness, insuring integrity. But I know my perspective may be the outlier.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 4:53 pm to minimal
He may or may not have known about the IR slot availability. Just be careful when you adjust your rules it doesn’t hinder competition in the future. If in short bench leagues, accepting a reduction in total weekly points (by leaving an open starting lineup slot) to not drop a valuable bench/depth player is sometimes a viable competitive strategy for playoffs when multiple player byes compound with injuries. Multiple IR slots sometimes alleviate this pressure, but not always, depending upon IR rules.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:00 pm to wrlakers
I’ve never in my life heard of a league that charges for losses and think that’s a stupid arse rule....
Maybe charge for not setting a complete lineup, but for a loss? That’s lame
Maybe charge for not setting a complete lineup, but for a loss? That’s lame
Posted on 11/18/19 at 6:54 am to Tiger1242
Same situation with my league. Im on the outside looking in the playoffs and 5 teams are playing for 1 spot.
I have to play the top 3 teams in the league and need to win them all while other teams get a gimme win against a guy who doesnt set his lineup anymore. Im beyond frustrated.
I have to play the top 3 teams in the league and need to win them all while other teams get a gimme win against a guy who doesnt set his lineup anymore. Im beyond frustrated.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 8:45 am to minimal
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teams must have complete and competitive lineup. Failure to do so permits commish to correct the lineup.
why in the hell would this be your rules? Someone who grossly neglects and ignores his lineup should be punished, not bailed out by someone holding their hand and doing the work for them.
We've had a league going for 19 years now, all friends so all know each other. Twice we have had to kick someone out for lineup negligence. We all pay money to join and it's generally pretty competitive so it really doens't do anyone any favors to have a team simply stop paying attention. Obviously things happen with a late scratch or you're out of town and maybe missed something, I get it. But the people we booted showed a continued, repeated pattern of not checking their lineups. Guys would have someone announced out on like Tuesday and that guy would still be in the lineup come Sunday. I mean if you're not gonna care enough to set your lineup why should you stay in the league at that point?
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:00 pm to WG_Dawg
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Someone who grossly neglects and ignores his lineup should be punished, not bailed out by someone holding their hand and doing the work for them.
I agree. Fixing it is tantamount to condoning it, which is the same as allowing it, and which is bound to turn out to encourage it.
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