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re: Shonn Greene for Matt Forte
Posted on 8/30/10 at 1:59 pm to JJ27
Posted on 8/30/10 at 1:59 pm to JJ27
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So Mike Martz is in town and there are concerns that he is going to put a damper on Matt Forte’s fantasy stock. Bringing even more questions was the arrival of Chester Taylor from the rival Minnesota Vikings. Since Taylor’s specialty up north was catching passes, people assume that will be his role in Chicago.
People forget that Matt Forte led the league in 2008 for Running Back receptions with 63. He was third for Running Back Receptions in 2009 with 57. The man can catch the ball. Chester Taylor arriving isn’t going to make him less capable
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Posted on 8/30/10 at 2:07 pm to Shankopotomus
People are going nuts over Greene and he hasn't proven shite in the NFL for the most part. LT will steal more carries from him than Taylor will steal from Forte. Also, Sanchez will dictate his success.
People forget Forte ran for over 1200 yards as a rookie and caught 63 passed for another 500. Last year he was struggling with recovering from knee surgery. This year he is healthy. People who took Forte are getting great value, and he is more valuable than Taylor is Martz's system.
People forget Forte ran for over 1200 yards as a rookie and caught 63 passed for another 500. Last year he was struggling with recovering from knee surgery. This year he is healthy. People who took Forte are getting great value, and he is more valuable than Taylor is Martz's system.
Posted on 8/30/10 at 2:08 pm to LSUAlum2001
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Will Forte be the Marshall Faulk of the Chicago Bears? Possibly.
Warner > Cutler
Faulk > Forte
Bruce > Hester
Holt >>> Aromashadou
Knox = Hakim
STL OL > CHI OL
ISWYDT, but Forte was pretty bad last year and there are questions about the supporting cast.
We don't know what the Martz effect will have on his productivity yet, either.
For now, I'd stick with Greene over Forte in all formats.
Posted on 8/30/10 at 2:25 pm to Billy Mays
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Warner > Cutler
Faulk > Forte
Bruce > Hester
Holt >>> Aromashadou
Knox = Hakim
STL OL > CHI OL
I don't think you understood "Will Forte be the Marshall Faulk of the Chicago Bears? Possibly." quote:
but Forte was pretty bad last yea
Again, coming off major surgery that usually takes 2 years to fully heal. Why was his rookie year so good and not last year?
quote:
there are questions about the supporting cast.
Like? A decent QB who can sling it? A offensive tactician as an O-Coordinator? A stable of young, talented, fast receivers? A damn good TE? One of the best backup RBs in the league? The only questions comes with the OL, IMO.
I'd give the slight nod to Greene still, but Forte will surprise a lot of people. He's a damn good back.
Posted on 8/30/10 at 2:42 pm to Me Bite
I get: Shonn Greene, Malcolm Floyd
I give: Michael Bush, DeSean Jackson
Thoughts?
I give: Michael Bush, DeSean Jackson
Thoughts?
Posted on 8/30/10 at 2:49 pm to TheFranchise
I'd take Greene and Floyd in a heartbeat. Floyd should put up some good numbers with Rivers throwing the ball around in SD.
Bush is already hurt, which could give McFadden the opportunity to prove himself and not look back. Plus Oakland is pretty shitty and now Campbell is banged up as well.
Jackson may very well be the best player in this deal, but it isn't worth taking on Bush to get him.
Bush is already hurt, which could give McFadden the opportunity to prove himself and not look back. Plus Oakland is pretty shitty and now Campbell is banged up as well.
Jackson may very well be the best player in this deal, but it isn't worth taking on Bush to get him.
Posted on 8/30/10 at 2:55 pm to GynoSandberg
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I don't think you understood "Will Forte be the Marshall Faulk of the Chicago Bears? Possibly
WTF didn't I understand? He's not Marshall Faulk and we don't know if Martz still has it or not.
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Again, coming off major surgery that usually takes 2 years to fully heal. Why was his rookie year so good and not last year?
Maybe he couldn't quite overcome the injury and had a minor sophomore slump? It happens to 2nd year vets all the time who beast their rookie years (Bowe, Royal, etc.)
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Like? A decent QB who can sling it? A offensive tactician as an O-Coordinator? A stable of young, talented, fast receivers? A damn good TE? One of the best backup RBs in the league? The only questions comes with the OL, IMO.
The Bears were meh last year, and until proven otherwise, they are still meh.
quote:
I'd give the slight nod to Greene still, but Forte will surprise a lot of people. He's a damn good back.
I agree it's not far off, but Greene is the consensus amongst pretty much everyone to be the higher draft pick, ergo the better fantasy back. I thought Forte was good his rookie year, but not great. Last year was not good.
I actually like Forte better than his ADP, tho
This post was edited on 8/30/10 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 8/30/10 at 3:33 pm to Billy Mays
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WTF didn't I understand? He's not Marshall Faulk and we don't know if Martz still has it or not.
He meant that Forte will play a role similar to what Faulk played, not that he actually will be Marshall Faulk. And do coordinators just "lose it"?
Posted on 8/30/10 at 3:42 pm to GynoSandberg
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And do coordinators just "lose it"?
A couple of meh seasons in STL where he wore out his welcome, followed by no production in Detroit or San Fran. He's been a year removed from the NFL, and now he's back.
I'd say he needs to prove that he's still a good coordinator in the NFL
. He's definitely not categorized as an offensive genius like he used to be.Posted on 8/30/10 at 3:47 pm to Billy Mays
The talent was pretty limited in detroit and san fran. i guess we will see
Posted on 8/30/10 at 4:01 pm to GynoSandberg
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And do coordinators just "lose it"?
some do....esp ones known for a specific innovative system. That system becomes less unique, defenses evolve and get used to seeing it.
Posted on 8/30/10 at 4:03 pm to Me Bite
I wouldn't mess with it, Chester Taylor looked really good
Posted on 8/30/10 at 4:14 pm to el tigre
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some do....esp ones known for a specific innovative system. That system becomes less unique, defenses evolve and get used to seeing it.
any specific examples i can look up? i know of bill walsh's system, that's about it.
quote:
I wouldn't mess with it, Chester Taylor looked really good
Forte's 89 yard run looked really good too
Posted on 8/30/10 at 4:59 pm to TheFranchise
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I get: Shonn Greene, Malcolm Floyd
I give: Michael Bush, DeSean Jackson
Thoughts?
Only one thought...why are you here asking us instead of pulling the trigger before the other guy changes his mind?
Posted on 8/30/10 at 10:32 pm to jrholdman
So after all this discussion, it's stil about a 50/50 split. 
Posted on 8/30/10 at 10:34 pm to Me Bite
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I'm thinking about giving up Shonn Greene for Matt Forte. What do y'all think?
definitely not. Although I've heard Forte looks good.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 7:43 am to adammwilson
the bears have one of the worst lines in the league with a pass happy mike martz. the jets have one of the best lines in the league with a run happy rex ryan.
Posted on 9/1/10 at 11:29 pm to diat150
FWIW... I decided to keep Shonn Greene. Thanks for all the input.
Posted on 9/2/10 at 7:43 am to diat150
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the bears have one of the worst lines in the league with a pass happy mike martz. the jets have one of the best lines in the league with a run happy rex ryan.
Posted on 9/2/10 at 10:43 am to ISDSTiger
Cutler has ruined Forte. Forte would do well with a good QB and a decent line.
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