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Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:49 pm to Turftoe
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No, it’s an amazing beer. It lives up to the respect it gets. No need to shite on a LA brewery pumping out world class beer
Be sure to run out and buy that next label refresh, I mean collab
Posted on 9/25/24 at 11:01 pm to TackySweater
I can’t wait for their Weldwerks collab this week. Shoot me an address to your trailer and I’ll send you a couple of cans
Posted on 9/25/24 at 11:05 pm to Turftoe
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Shoot me an address to your trailer and I’ll send you a couple of cans
Nice one bro!!!
Haze4Lyfe
Posted on 9/26/24 at 12:22 pm to BugAC
Now you are arguing just to argue. Yes you can make lagers taste different by doing different things, thats obvious. but they change you are making is subtle. Thats also why great lagers should be celebrated. there is much much less room for mistakes.
GTFO. this boils down to my eariler comment. Shitty IPAs need to be purged. But as you know you can make Hazys go from crisper mouthfeel to something that coats your mouth like milk. From semi clear to so cloudy you cant see 1 inch in it. From something that tastes like straight orange juice, to a bouquet of flowers, to a grassy knoll, to dirt, stone and pine..
you dont have that wide of canvas with lagers. The furthest off script you can get, beers which i love, are dunkels.
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find that IPAs are way more similar than lagers, especially when you are dealing with hazy's.
GTFO. this boils down to my eariler comment. Shitty IPAs need to be purged. But as you know you can make Hazys go from crisper mouthfeel to something that coats your mouth like milk. From semi clear to so cloudy you cant see 1 inch in it. From something that tastes like straight orange juice, to a bouquet of flowers, to a grassy knoll, to dirt, stone and pine.. you dont have that wide of canvas with lagers. The furthest off script you can get, beers which i love, are dunkels.
This post was edited on 9/26/24 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 9/26/24 at 12:23 pm to TackySweater
quote:shut it tard, the adults are talking.
Well said. It was such a dumb statement all around I didn’t feel it necessary to even entertain a response.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 12:40 pm to CarRamrod
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Now you are arguing just to argue. Yes you can make lagers taste different by doing different things, thats obvious. but they change you are making is subtle.
It could be subtle, it could be major. Czech Pils and German Pils are roughly the same grist, but completely different in flavor, mouthfeel, and color, and it's all dependent on process and yeast. PIlsner Urquell and Weihenstephaner Pilsner are completely different beers with the same mash bill.
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Thats also why great lagers should be celebrated. there is much much less room for mistakes.
I agree, and i find the subtle differences and complexity intrigueing for the style. I think that's why i prefer pilsners moreso than IPA's now.
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GTFO. this boils down to my eariler comment. Shitty IPAs need to be purged. But as you know you can make Hazys go from crisper mouthfeel to something that coats your mouth like milk.
Correct, but that's not hop driven. Like lager, it's water chemistry, yeast, process driven.
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From semi clear to so cloudy you cant see 1 inch in it.
But you're comparing 2 different styles. West Coast IPA and Hazy IPA are only connected by name. Process is completely different. While i agree that west coast allows for more variation in flavor depending on the hops used, Hazy, at least for my taste, are all starting to taste the same. I can't tell one spindletap hazy from another. Parish, same thing. Yes it differs when you get into double IPA territory but there isn't much difference regardless of what hop you use that are appropriate for the style. The caveat might be with the upper echelon breweries.
But, this could also be a factor of my evolving palate and preferences to beer. I don't buy many IPA's anymore.
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you dont have that wide of canvas with lagers. The furthest off script you can get, beers which i love, are dunkels.
I disagree. And i think that is more to due with you are comparing beers within a style vs. a complete category of beer.
IPA's - West coast, Hazy, Pale Ale
Lager - Czech Pils, Czech Amber Lager, German Pils, Helles, Dunkel, Bock, doppelbock, Italian Pilsner, New Zealand Pilsner, "IPL", Marzen/Oktoberfest, Festbier, Vienna Lager, Schwarzbier, Japanese Rice Lager, and then American light lager.
You aren't really comparing apples with oranges. Now if you wanted to compare pilsners with IPA's, you'd be more equitable. And with new aggressively hopped and dry hopped "pilsners" with new world hops, you are basically making a lager version or an "IPL", but i hate that term.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 1:17 pm to BugAC
quote:its really not THAT major
It could be subtle, it could be major
quote:i never said it was hop driven. Im speaking about having more of a canvas than with lagers.
Correct, but that's not hop driven. Like lager, it's water chemistry, yeast, process driven.
quote:no im not i was comparing the lightly hazy pales to the super hazy doubles. We could go down the rabbit hole of how i can argue West Coast and East coast could be considered the same. Of course the process is completely different but the act of putting a bunch of hops in a beer is the same. Which is the original purpose of what an IPA was for.
But you're comparing 2 different styles. West Coast IPA and Hazy IPA a
quote:if you are refering to commercial hazies...again go back to my original comment. Shitty Hazies need to stop.
at least for my taste, are all starting to taste the same.
quote:Sp yea... these breweries do this because its easy... lets brew one batch, finish it differently and sell it. This isn one thing i agree with the child in this thread on. The live and die Parrish drinkers are annoying.
I can't tell one spindletap hazy from another. Parish, same thing. Yes it differs when you get into double IPA territory but there isn't much difference regardless of what hop you use that are appropriate for the style. The caveat might be with the upper echelon breweries.
quote:I went through this prior to East Coast IPAs with, what was just referered to back then, IPAs. It got to the point i couldnt taste any other style of beer. I had to give them up to enjoy other styles.
But, this could also be a factor of my evolving palate and preferences to beer. I don't buy many IPA's anymore.
quote:i dont agree with you.. While all the lager you listed are "different" they really arent THAT different. German Pils, Helles,Italian Pils, NZ pils, Vienna Lager, etc are just different recipes and water chemistry of the same beer. Yes they have those categories in beer books and competition but that is because these styles have been brewed for hundreds of years and define a region.
I disagree. And i think that is more to due with you are comparing beers within a style vs. a complete category of beer.
IPA's - West coast, Hazy, Pale Ale
Lager - Czech Pils, Czech Amber Lager, German Pils, Helles, Dunkel, Bock, doppelbock, Italian Pilsner, New Zealand Pilsner, "IPL", Marzen/Oktoberfest, Festbier, Vienna Lager, Schwarzbier, Japanese Rice Lager, and then American light lager.
if you extrapolate their history to say the the East coast IPA, you could say they could evolve into New Hampshire IPA and Low Country IPA and Gods Country IPA.
Im really arguing the philosophical view on this not the uber technical.
quote:so lest take what you said here. An Aggressively hopped Pislner would now become its own style in your eyes. it wouldnt be a pilsner just as an IPA isnt a pale.
You aren't really comparing apples with oranges. Now if you wanted to compare pilsners with IPA's, you'd be more equitable. And with new aggressively hopped and dry hopped "pilsners" with new world hops, you are basically making a lager version or an "IPL", but i hate that term.
This post was edited on 9/26/24 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 9/26/24 at 6:04 pm to CarRamrod
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they really arent THAT different.
He says while praising hazy IPAs that are all the same damn beer lol
This post was edited on 9/26/24 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 9/26/24 at 9:22 pm to TackySweater
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Be sure to run out and buy that next label refresh
Love ghost and dr juice, but I laugh when I see them releasing the latest brewery only release ghost variant 4 pack for $25. I assume it’s gotta be more marketable to make it ghost-ish than calling it a different beer that people don’t know.
Never gotten one since I don’t live in LA anymore, but I’d love to know if people think they’re worth it
Posted on 9/26/24 at 10:57 pm to Dead Mike
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On that note, check out Tree House’s YouTube channel sometime. They’ve really invested in on-site consumption and amenities throughout their footprint, it’s pretty crazy when you compare to local taprooms.
I'd love to have this discussion. Tree House doesn't make any kind of sense. In a time when the market is actively and perhaps even aggressively contracting, Tree House is expanding. And making money. There is literally weekly communication about the numbers for the week, and how they stack up against the same week historically. It's wild. TH churns out countless new SKUs, you can argue about the quality, but the volume that is moved, mostly of IPA, and NEIPA, is absurd. Sure, lager is growing, and there are other offerings, but IPA is what is driving it. And in regards to the point about on-site consumption, up until about 3 months ago, on-site consumption was limited to 3 beers per person. It was only recently that they said drink up on Monday-Thursday -- weekend limits still exist.
It's a fascinating business model that somehow works when everything says it probably shouldn't.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:15 am to CarRamrod
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so lest take what you said here. An Aggressively hopped Pislner would now become its own style in your eyes. it wouldnt be a pilsner just as an IPA isnt a pale.
No it's still a pilsner, i just don't like the term "IPL". Pilsners are highly hopped lagers. They are essentially the IPA's of the pale lager world. I just don't like the term they use for the new americanized "India Pale Lager". That's what a New Zealand Pilsner is (but with NZ hops), and an italian pilsner (but to a lighter touch on hopping). It's still classified as a pilsner. In terms of competitions, if you added a bunch of citra late hops to a pilsner, you'd enter it either into German Pils or New Zealand Pils or Hybrid categories. More likely NZ Pils category because that's the most comparable category.
FWIW, i forgot what we're argueing now.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 10:10 pm to MikeTheTiger11
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Never gotten one since I don’t live in LA anymore, but I’d love to know if people think they’re worth it
It’s just a brag-off for the ipa nerds to see who can get it the freshest and who can get it the earliest. Doesn’t matter if the beer is shite, their worth is determined by how much they can brag about it.
Posted on 9/28/24 at 1:41 am to TackySweater
You continue to show you have no idea what you're talking about dipshit.
Posted on 9/28/24 at 7:19 am to TigerBait2008
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You continue to show you have no idea what you're talking about di
Found a haze bro lol
Posted on 9/28/24 at 3:02 pm to BugAC
I’ve been a big fan of these west coast Cold IPAs that have become en vogue. Parleaux has done it well. I had a really good one from Monkish as well.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 3:19 am to vistajay
Sold or closed because their social media isn't hinting at a transfer of ownership
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