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re: A question about Nintendo from a non-gamer.
Posted on 12/17/12 at 12:19 am to OMLandshark
Posted on 12/17/12 at 12:19 am to OMLandshark
well... its hard to compare the industry in the PSX days and now. in the PSX days, the Japanese market was extremely important. now not so much. now the European market is arguably the most important. and specifically with reference to the N64s "superior" library, the gap was very narrow.
as to why Nintendo doesn't care about graphics. simply put, graphics don't matter and haven't mattered in some time. LOL, Angry Birds, etc, etc. bring in metric fricktons of money and don't command much in the ways of graphics technology. FAR FAR beyond that which even the BLOPS and Halos of the world bring in. while the WiiU may be flawed and have a shitty business model,
they aren't completely barking up the wrong tree.
as to why Nintendo doesn't care about graphics. simply put, graphics don't matter and haven't mattered in some time. LOL, Angry Birds, etc, etc. bring in metric fricktons of money and don't command much in the ways of graphics technology. FAR FAR beyond that which even the BLOPS and Halos of the world bring in. while the WiiU may be flawed and have a shitty business model,
they aren't completely barking up the wrong tree.
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Posted on 12/17/12 at 12:21 am to TheSandman
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They lost the hardcore gaming market, and they've had expand their target audience to maintain their market share
I don't think they can hear over the mountain of cash they're swimming in.
No one can criticize Nintendo for the Wii on terms of a financial success. Nintendo went from less than 15% marketshare in the overall market to a majority (although, it's crept down to the 40s now).
Posted on 12/17/12 at 12:24 am to tigergamedev
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the Japanese market was extremely important. now not so much
Oh really? Still the second largest market in the world. While has been declining, Japan accounts for 23 million pieces of current gen hardware (excluding PSP and DS where each have done 33 and 20 million respectively).
Also, outside of the US and Japan, you don't see games doing 1 or 2 million in a week. It just isn't heard of in other markets.
Posted on 12/17/12 at 12:28 am to oauron
in no way does nintendo own 40% of the gaming market share. first off... how do you define market? ps3, xbox 360, wii, and wii u? maybe then... but consoles aren't/don't just compete with each other. they compete with phones, handhelds, pcs as well.
if im not mistaken, nintendo has had an exceptionally bad last two years as well. the wii u is in pretty bad shape right now IMO. devs aren't excited by it, which is always bad news.
if im not mistaken, nintendo has had an exceptionally bad last two years as well. the wii u is in pretty bad shape right now IMO. devs aren't excited by it, which is always bad news.
Posted on 12/17/12 at 12:37 am to oauron
its absolutely not the second. its third of US, europe and japan. and even then thats a bullshite stat because it doesn't include china, which has two or three game companies that make the three major western companies (acti-blizz, ubi, and ea) look insignificant.
Posted on 12/17/12 at 12:46 am to tigergamedev
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its absolutely not the second. its third of US, europe and japan
A continent is not a market. The third largest floats between the UK, France, and Germany. UK has the most spending power, but Germany's PC market is just gigantic. France is more consistent with their software purchasing levels.
At the moment, there is no console patented and sold officially in China. The only thing sold there is bootlegs and imports. Their PC market is huge, but most of the games played there are Chinese made.
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in no way does nintendo own 40% of the gaming market share. first off... how do you define market?
I was just comparing Wii to 360 and PS3. If you add the Wii U, it only gets worse. You do realize that the Wii will likely hit 100 million once the year ends, right? The PS3 and 360 are still in the 70s. Pro-tip: The Wii has sold more than both consoles in every major territory.
I don't even like the Wii or Nintendo in particular, but no one can deny the fact that they dominated this generation in hardware sales.
This post was edited on 12/17/12 at 12:49 am
Posted on 12/17/12 at 1:01 am to oauron
oh sure nintendo definitely dominated the generation in console sales, but this isn't 2005 anymore. console sales only tell part of the story now. you have to look at the revenues of xbox live, psn, and the wii shop channel to really get a full picture.
and you are right about a continent not being a market, but the US and europe share a lot more cross market appeal than say the US and japan do.
japan is over. they are a secondary market almost no one of note is going to cater to. and that sucks to say, i grew up on japanese games and loving japanese devs. :(
and you are right about a continent not being a market, but the US and europe share a lot more cross market appeal than say the US and japan do.
japan is over. they are a secondary market almost no one of note is going to cater to. and that sucks to say, i grew up on japanese games and loving japanese devs. :(
Posted on 12/17/12 at 1:54 am to Patrick O Rly
Because graphics =/= sales.
Wii outsold 360+PS3 put together. 480p, lol. Crazy stuff.
Wii outsold 360+PS3 put together. 480p, lol. Crazy stuff.
Posted on 12/17/12 at 2:06 am to Patrick O Rly
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Why do they not seem to give a crap about graphics?
nice thread douche
Posted on 12/17/12 at 8:51 am to Drewbie
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No. They sold more consoles to grandparents and 30+ year olds. Parents with young children that actually monitor what they play bought Wii's because it was clearly the more family-friendly console. 80% of the games for the Wii are garbage to anyone 16 and older. The Wii sold because you have to have one to play the new Zeldas and Marios. Period.
You can't sell nearly 98 million units to just 30+ year old's and grandparents.
Posted on 12/17/12 at 9:29 am to tigergamedev
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but this isn't 2005 anymore
You must have missed 2008 and 2009, their strongest years on the market where the value of their stock rose higher than Toyota's (i.e. the most valuable company in the world's second/third largest economy).
The revenues of those items are not even worthy of being mentioned. Look at what each division has brought each company in terms of operating revenue. MS didn't make money until 3.5 years in the life of its console, and Sony makes a very paltry profit on their games division while the company as a whole is grave trouble. Nintendo, while having its worst quarter a year ago, has never not made money. They've had consecutive years since existence of profits.
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and you are right about a continent not being a market, but the US and europe share a lot more cross market appeal than say the US and japan do.
This is true, but also not true. The US and the UK share a lot of market appeal as the same games generally do as well as it does here. It pretty much stops there. Every other country in the EU has its own trends and oddities. Look at every other Eastern EU country and Singstar outsells Halo and Call of Duty.
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japan is over. they are a secondary market almost no one of note is going to cater to
And to dismiss a country that buys so much software that we also consume. Didn't realize we weren't interested in DMC, Final Fantasy, Mario (you know, the largest video game IP ever), Resident Evil, Pro Evo (this is more JP/EU), Zelda, etc.
You even have games like Catherine which sell more in the US than in Japan! While the market isn't as attractive as the US market, it's the only market outside of the US where you still big games doing crazy numbers. While Call of Duty only gets ~500k there, you see games doing the millions you see in the West.
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Wii outsold 360+PS3 put together
That is not true anymore. The Wii's sales trailed off last year and lost the 50%+ marketshare it had for 5 years.
This post was edited on 12/17/12 at 9:30 am
Posted on 12/17/12 at 6:32 pm to OMLandshark
quote:Please elaborate a point that I'm incorrect on? You can stroke your e-penis while you're at it. I've made no comment saying the 64 sold more. My point is that when Nintendo went the graphically superior route, the gamers got better products.
I don't think you know at all what you're talking about.
Posted on 12/17/12 at 6:38 pm to Tactical1
quote:I would be willing to bet that if the story-based Zelda and Mario games were stopped, Nintendo's home console sales would plummet. Zelda is the only reason I own a Wii and is the only reason any of the people that I know have a Wii. Zelda and Mario being Nintendo-exclusive is carrying the franchise. Wii sales got a boost when it came out because there was a Zelda ready to come out with it (Twilight Princess). You think it's just coincidence that the sales of the WiiU are down when there isn't a Zelda game anywhere near release for the console?
You can't sell nearly 98 million units to just 30+ year old's and grandparents.
This post was edited on 12/17/12 at 6:41 pm
Posted on 12/17/12 at 7:03 pm to Drewbie
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I would be willing to bet that if the story-based Zelda and Mario games were stopped, Nintendo's home console sales would plummet. Zelda is the only reason I own a Wii and is the only reason any of the people that I know have a Wii. Zelda and Mario being Nintendo-exclusive is carrying the franchise. Wii sales got a boost when it came out because there was a Zelda ready to come out with it (Twilight Princess). You think it's just coincidence that the sales of the WiiU are down when there isn't a Zelda game anywhere near release for the console?
Wii u initial sales are just slightly behind the Wii when it launched and we have not passed Christmas yet, so I don't know what this "sales are down" talk is.
Posted on 12/17/12 at 7:21 pm to Tactical1
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are just slightly behind the Wii
quote:Thank your for proving my point by trying to argue my point.
"sales are down"
Posted on 12/17/12 at 7:45 pm to Drewbie
The Wii was the most successful video game console in the first year ever. Nothing ever came close to the level of demand the Wii. You're comparing the launch to the most successful one in history and then shitting on how its not replicating it. 
Posted on 12/17/12 at 7:56 pm to cachemoney
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Correct answer is never because she was kicking your arse in Wii bowling
Not my arse I'm spectacular at Wii bowling
Posted on 12/17/12 at 8:32 pm to Drewbie
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Thank your for proving my point by trying to argue my point.
Unfortunately your argument of sales being down, wasn't really proven.
Slightly down from a six year old machine is not really a great comparison.
This post was edited on 12/17/12 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 12/17/12 at 11:47 pm to Drewbie
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I would be willing to bet that if the story-based Zelda and Mario games were stopped, Nintendo's home console sales would plummet. Zelda is the only reason I own a Wii and is the only reason any of the people that I know have a Wii. Zelda and Mario being Nintendo-exclusive is carrying the franchise. Wii sales got a boost when it came out because there was a Zelda ready to come out with it (Twilight Princess). You think it's just coincidence that the sales of the WiiU are down when there isn't a Zelda game anywhere near release for the console?
motion controls and nintendo's marketing campaign were the primary factors in making the wii the most successful console to date
every nintendo console has had multiple mario and zelda games on them. The wii was the first console to win...
Posted on 12/18/12 at 1:24 am to LaRon
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motion controls and nintendo's marketing campaign were the primary factors in making the wii the most successful console to date
I'd like to think that Wii Sports and crazy sellers like Wii Fit, Wii Play, and Mario Kart Wii were the biggest drivers. Each of those did ~30 million.
This post was edited on 12/18/12 at 1:25 am
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