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re: Do you bring a personal cooler when golfing? Story Time.
Posted on 5/9/22 at 1:30 pm to DestrehanTiger
Posted on 5/9/22 at 1:30 pm to DestrehanTiger
quote:I see this sign at most courses these days. The player doesn’t need to know about the money to simply follow basic rules. If they didn’t know the rule, okay, you still don’t get mad at a course rep for enforcing the rule. And again, my problem with the OP is more that he thinks it’s ridiculous for the marshal to enforce a rule that protects the course itself. And he didn’t lose his beer. I’m sure they all drank it at some point.
The course sells snacks in the club house. Is it up to the player to understand how the course makes money? Unless there is a sign stating no outside drinks, is it assumed that you can bring water, Gatorade, snacks, etc; just no alcohol?
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Posted on 5/9/22 at 1:34 pm to ell_13
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The player doesn’t need to know about the money to simply follow basic rules.
That's not really what I'm saying. Let's assume there is not a sign. Why is alcohol different than any other food item you may bring? Are there some people that think only water is ok?
Posted on 5/9/22 at 1:35 pm to DestrehanTiger
I basically answered that in my first post. Alcohol is the exception because of the markup. Clubs rely on it for much of their income.
Posted on 5/9/22 at 1:37 pm to ell_13
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Alcohol is the exception because of the markup. Clubs rely on it for much of their income.
Right. I guess that is where I thought this was an interesting topic. It reminds me of an argument I had with a buddy in college. It was about tipping bartenders. He is a bartender, and he argued that I should tip because they only make $2 an hour and make money on tips. My argument was that this is not the problem of the bar patron. I'll add that the argument wasn't about not tipping at all or anything. It was mostly about how silly it is to tip 50% ($1 for a $2 beer) in a college bar when the bartender is just popping the top and handing me the drink.
This post was edited on 5/9/22 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 5/9/22 at 1:39 pm to Gings5
There are some jurisdictions that require the purchase of alcohol from the business on property that holds the liquor license….protects you for open container and DWI.
Technically, if you are checked and had an open container on course property that was not purchased there, you could run into issues.
Also - an insurance issue for the entity that runs the course and hold the license.
Technically, if you are checked and had an open container on course property that was not purchased there, you could run into issues.
Also - an insurance issue for the entity that runs the course and hold the license.
Posted on 5/9/22 at 1:39 pm to DestrehanTiger
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That's not really what I'm saying. Let's assume there is not a sign. Why is alcohol different than any other food item you may bring? Are there some people that think only water is ok?
It isn't. All food and beverage should be purchased at the course.
Posted on 5/9/22 at 1:41 pm to TDTOM
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It isn't. All food and beverage should be purchased at the course.
Now we're getting somewhere. I usually bring a nature valley bar and a bag of nuts. I have a buddy that always has a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Are you saying that this is over the line?
This post was edited on 5/9/22 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 5/9/22 at 1:45 pm to TDTOM
I’m not buying water at the course. It offers water for free anyway. This policy isn’t for that. Snacks are the same. Who knows if you’ll have a cart girl, what snacks they have, etc. Drinks and meals should be bought at the course.
As far as the example about the bartender tips, apples an oranges. You’re at a place of business that is offering services beyond just golf. You pay extra for the cart, sometimes the range balls, etc. Alcohol is no different.
As far as the example about the bartender tips, apples an oranges. You’re at a place of business that is offering services beyond just golf. You pay extra for the cart, sometimes the range balls, etc. Alcohol is no different.
Posted on 5/9/22 at 1:46 pm to DestrehanTiger
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Now we're getting somewhere. I usually bring a nature valley bar and a bag of nuts. I have a buddy that always has a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Are you saying that this is over the line?
In my opinion, yes.
Posted on 5/9/22 at 1:48 pm to ell_13
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You’re over here admitting that you looked for the cheapest round and wouldn’t spend another $20 on beer. Please don’t pretend like you can afford a nice steakhouse.
When you're playing with buddies who don't take it seriously and are relatively new to golf, not everyone in the group wants to spend $100+ on a round. My wife is big law attorney and I'm a mechanical engineer. Thank you for being so concerned with our personal finances
Posted on 5/9/22 at 1:49 pm to Gings5
You made this thread about your finances, not me.
We already knew you were cheap from the OP. Thanks for the extra post to remind us I guess.
We already knew you were cheap from the OP. Thanks for the extra post to remind us I guess.
Posted on 5/9/22 at 1:50 pm to ell_13
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Drinks and meals should be bought at the course
Even though I am making the argument, I agree.
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As far as the example about the bartender tips, apples an oranges. You’re at a place of business that is offering services beyond just golf. You pay extra for the cart, sometimes the range balls, etc. Alcohol is no different.
My point was mostly about the behind the scenes finances. That is an argument for why the establishment or employee wants you to pay for a beer/tip. It's not really an argument for the patron to do this morally (if the course doesn't have established rules on alcohol).
Posted on 5/9/22 at 1:51 pm to Gings5
If there is a sign or similar saying no outside drinks or coolers then you are asking for trouble if you do the opposite
Posted on 5/9/22 at 1:55 pm to DestrehanTiger
The beer/alcohol/food is paying for those employees, the infrastructure, and maintenance providing those services: the cart girl, the bartender, the chef and his staff, kitchen appliances, etc. All things people expect at a golf course honestly. Could it also pay for a bigger maintenance staff, the event coordinator, more range balls, and so on? Sure. And maybe if people didn’t sneak in so much, courses could keep greens fees down. 
But I don’t equate those charges with a tip. You’re getting something specific for the cost.
But I don’t equate those charges with a tip. You’re getting something specific for the cost.
Posted on 5/9/22 at 1:58 pm to ell_13
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The beer/alcohol/food is paying for those employees, the infrastructure, and maintenance providing those services: the cart girl, the bartender, the chef and his staff, kitchen appliances, etc. All things people expect at a golf course honestly. Could it also pay for a bigger maintenance staff, the event coordinator, more range balls, and so on? Sure. And maybe if people didn’t sneak in so much, courses could keep greens fees down.
Right. So, the argument should be that we need to all follow TDTOM and show up without anything other than water. The margins shouldn't matter to the consumer. Just like the argument should be that you tip because the bartender provided a service, not because they won't make enough money if you don't.
This post was edited on 5/9/22 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 5/9/22 at 1:59 pm to ell_13
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Do you bring alcohol to a bar? To a restaurant?
Nobody does that. People bring beer to the golf course all the time, nobody brings their own alcohol to a bar
Let's not act like he was doing something that ridiculous. Posted on 5/9/22 at 2:04 pm to DestrehanTiger
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TDTOM and show up without anything other than water.
TDTOM says to buy water at the course also.
Posted on 5/9/22 at 2:06 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Nobody does that.
People bring their own wine to nice restaurants all the time. They are charged a corking fee to do so.
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Let's not act like he was doing something that ridiculous.
What he is doing is pathetic.
Posted on 5/9/22 at 2:06 pm to TDTOM
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TDTOM says to buy water at the course also.
Really? Most, if not all, courses provide water every couple of holes with 5 gallon jugs. That's a safety thing.
For some reason, Memorial Park in Houston didn't have any water on the course last summer. The marshals drove around in carts handing out water bottles to everyone.
This post was edited on 5/9/22 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 5/9/22 at 2:08 pm to iwyLSUiwy
College students absolutely bring their own drinks to a bar. Full flask to make drinks stronger. I said restaurants are rare but corking fees exist because they know people may want to bring something on their own. I noticed you skipped the concert one though. It’s notorious at big events and even smaller sporting events.
And I didn’t pretend it was ridiculous. I even said he’s not an arse for doing it. Just that he knows it’s against the rules so he shouldn’t be a bitch when the rule is applied and all he misses out on is drinking them during the round instead of some time after. Imagine if every course was this strict and it became just as taboo to bring your own drinks to a course as it is to bring them to an nice restaurant? Would golf be better overall for it?
It’s notorious at big events and even smaller sporting events. And I didn’t pretend it was ridiculous. I even said he’s not an arse for doing it. Just that he knows it’s against the rules so he shouldn’t be a bitch when the rule is applied and all he misses out on is drinking them during the round instead of some time after. Imagine if every course was this strict and it became just as taboo to bring your own drinks to a course as it is to bring them to an nice restaurant? Would golf be better overall for it?
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