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re: I officially give up on Copper Mill ever getting their greens back.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 9:53 am to CoachChappy
Posted on 3/23/22 at 9:53 am to CoachChappy
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Here is a group that trying to tackle this problem. This really is interesting.
that site has some good information, but understand that controlling Poa on golf greens is an animal in itself. Products that can be used in home lawns, sports fields and golf courses (except Golf Putting greens). The products that we have labeled to use on Putting greens is what is showing resistance. some Superintendents have been trying other herbicides not labeled for golf greens, but that is a huge liability if something goes wrong. Spraying Poa this time of the year is just futile. you need to catch it early when it begins its germination in August and Spetember. problem being, you don't see the germination, just have to trust the science. and the herbicides we have at our disposal are all showing resistance. Auburn and Tx A&M are doing a lot of research as well.
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 10:08 am to leblanc272
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Products that can be used in home lawns, sports fields and golf courses (except Golf Putting greens).
This is the part I don't understand. Why are they limiting the products that golf courses can use? In theory, you guys are professionals and would be following the application rates. If you don't, it affects your revenue if you destroy your course
I understand the inverse like limiting MSMA to professionals only, because an idiot with a gallon of that stuff can kill a forest and everything in it's watershed.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 10:49 am to lsu13lsu
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The problem with bad poa in S LA is people think we have Florida weather. But it stays cool for longer. Grass doesn’t turn on good enough to spray until April / May and it doesn’t get warm enough for heat to kill it until June.
Isn't the answer to overseed greens with perennial rye in the fall? Less poa will germinate and you are cutting the rye and the poa that does come up until summer or whenever you spray out all the rye.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 10:51 am to leblanc272
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just have to trust the science.
Where have I heard that before?
Posted on 3/23/22 at 11:09 am to jmtigers
Overseeding often has an adverse affect on Bermuda greens. Especially ones that need babying and are prone to issues already. That is why many courses lose their greens during the spring transition. I believe the latest to try and fail at it was Webb.
This post was edited on 3/23/22 at 11:12 am
Posted on 3/23/22 at 11:27 am to lsu13lsu
Cost is the reason for courses not overseeding. I've heard multiple reasons used by courses but it always comes back to not wanting to spend money.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 11:27 am to CoachChappy
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This is the part I don't understand. Why are they limiting the products that golf courses can use? In theory, you guys are professionals and would be following the application rates. If you don't, it affects your revenue if you destroy your course
Its not about Turf managers not following the label, its about a chemical company taking on the liabilty if the chemical kills the putting greens. Even if you follow the label, things happen. Light rain turns into a monsoon and puddles up and a concentration of chemical settles in one spot. A sprinkler head gets stuck on, or the turf just doesn't react well. Crazy stuff happens all the time when you deal with chemicals and mother nature. its also the amount of exposure the chemical has to people versus a home lawn. your ball roles across it, you touch your ball, put a dip in, take a bit of something, etc... when you cut a turf at 1/8 inch, it is stressed and may react different to a turf that is mowed at 1/2 inch or 2 inches.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 6:19 pm to leblanc272
I’ve long thought the areas that contend with Poa are so much an afterthought to chemical companies, there has never really been a reliable preventive, mostly for economical purposes.
It wouldn’t be a year round program, and it’s very selective to a part of America where golf isn’t the economical force.
It wouldn’t be a year round program, and it’s very selective to a part of America where golf isn’t the economical force.
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