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re: LIV Golf off-season thread
Posted on 1/16/25 at 9:54 am to JimTiger72
Posted on 1/16/25 at 9:54 am to JimTiger72
People that would want to watch LIV could have if they wanted to. It just isn’t a very good product with really not much on the line with these guaranteed contracts and lack of big tournaments with rich history. Not to mention the time zone difference for many of their tournaments overseas.
I would rather watch TGL, which I don’t think is all that great over anything LIV.
I would rather watch TGL, which I don’t think is all that great over anything LIV.
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Posted on 1/16/25 at 10:09 am to RedHawk
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I would rather watch TGL, which I don’t think is all that great over anything LIV.
I guess you can just wait until the Masters to see guys like Bryson, Koepka, Rahm, Cam Smith play golf again
Posted on 1/16/25 at 11:02 am to JimTiger72
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I guess you can just wait until the Masters to see guys like Bryson, Koepka, Rahm, Cam Smith play golf again
Sure can, but I do enjoy Bryson’s YouTube content.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 12:33 pm to RedHawk
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with really not much on the line
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I would rather watch TGL
Yes because TGL definitely has a lot riding on the line. Like umm, let me see, hmm. Actually can't think of anything.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 12:47 pm to iwyLSUiwy
A lot of the players on TGL just aren’t that interesting to me. The 4 man teams aspect is interesting though.
Wonder if we’ll ever see Jupiter Links GC vs Smash GC in TGL
Wonder if we’ll ever see Jupiter Links GC vs Smash GC in TGL
This post was edited on 1/16/25 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 1/16/25 at 1:21 pm to RedHawk
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People that would want to watch LIV could have if they wanted to. It just isn’t a very good product with really not much on the line with these guaranteed contracts and lack of big tournaments with rich history
This could be said about every expansion league in the history of sports. At one point, the MLS cup was meaningless. Now they have Messi and potentially Neymar joining their league.
LIV has a good thing going for it. Star power. They have a new CEO and are distancing themselves from Greg Norman. Now the FOX deal. I think they’re doing okay for year 3
Posted on 1/16/25 at 1:45 pm to JimTiger72
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A lot of the players on TGL just aren’t that interesting to me. The 4 man teams aspect is interesting though.
Golfers in general aren't interesting outside of how incredible they are at their sport. That's not a knock on them, they don't get paid to be entertaining. That's where TGL falls short for me. You're trying to make guys that just aren't entertainers into entertainers. I guess make sure you put some awful golfer like Kisner on there every week and that'll provide some.
Using a crap launch monitor is also a bad move. I don't care if Tiger wants to promote his brand equipment, if it's not the best on the market, they shouldn't be using it. You have this incredible facility and yet your launch monitors are worse than what's in your local Edwin Watts. If I'm Tiger, I think more important that using your equipment would be to have something that doesn't think you rocketed a sand wedge into the water or have your teammate not be able to hit his 3 wood 230 yards. It's legit going to make people not want to buy your product and at the same time not take your golf league serious.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 3:58 pm to OKtiger
quote:And almost every single expansion league has failed
This could be said about every expansion league in the history of sports
Not all, but almost every single one and they were for sports that were insanely popular
Doing an expansion league for a sport that already has a niche following is almost certain to fail. The only reason LIV isn’t considered a failure currently is because it is backed by money that is endless
But from any traditional measure, it’s failing. And people are going to get mad but nothing above is really controversial l, trolling, or antagonistic. It just the truth
Posted on 1/16/25 at 4:21 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 1/16/25 at 4:29 pm to JimTiger72
They are close to a billion dollars in the negative after 3 years
We don’t need to do this. In any traditional approach they are failing and it would be toast already
People are allowed to like it but the above doesn’t change
We don’t need to do this. In any traditional approach they are failing and it would be toast already
People are allowed to like it but the above doesn’t change
This post was edited on 1/16/25 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 1/16/25 at 4:37 pm to JimTiger72
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Rory doesn’t think it’s failing
Rory's quote has nothing to do with if he thinks it's failing
It's absolutely a failure so far, but maybe the fox deal gives them momentum.
It'll be interesting to see what happens after this year with contracts ending for Brooks, DJ, Cam smith, Bryson and others
This post was edited on 1/16/25 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 1/16/25 at 4:41 pm to icegator337
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Rory's quote has nothing to do with if he thinks it's failing
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“I honestly don’t know what the future holds for them but the move they are making, especially from an executive standpoint, it doesn’t look like they are going to go away anytime soon.”
Posted on 1/16/25 at 4:46 pm to lsupride87
I think it depends on how you measure success/failure.
It’s been a success in getting players to play on their Tour.
It’s been a failure from viewership/revenue standpoint but we’ll see if that changes at all with Fox now involved.
It’s been a success in getting players to play on their Tour.
It’s been a failure from viewership/revenue standpoint but we’ll see if that changes at all with Fox now involved.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 4:50 pm to JimTiger72
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“I honestly don’t know what the future holds for them but the move they are making, especially from an executive standpoint, it doesn’t look like they are going to go away anytime soon.”
Just because it's not going away doesn't mean it's not failing. They have unlimited funds and it's Yasir's pet project, so he's not just going to pull the plug.
Failing is all dependent on who's evaluating. From a revenue standpoint, it's failing. But from the Saudi's perspective, they may not think it's failing since it may get them a seat at the table, and that's all they care about.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 5:09 pm to lsupride87
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We don’t need to do this. In any traditional approach they are failing and it would be toast already
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People are allowed to like it but the above doesn’t change
How long did it take some of the huge tech companies to report a profit? Amazon took 9 years.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 5:17 pm to BBONDS25
quote:Please show me Amazon losing nearly hundreds of millions annually
How long did it take some of the huge tech companies to report a profit? Amazon took 9 years.
We aren’t talking recouping original investment, we are literally talking about bleeding money every year. It isn’t normal or comparable to any other situation
It’s entirely unique with the endless money supply that isn’t tied to any necessary revenue or return
This post was edited on 1/16/25 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 1/16/25 at 5:19 pm to lsupride87
LINK
Is 3 billion in losses enough for you? That’s what Amazon did its first 9 years. You dumb idiot.
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We aren’t talking recouping original investment, we are literally talking about bleeding money every year. It isn’t normal or comparable to any other situation
Your ignorance of the facts does not change the facts. You post with hubris from a place of complete ignorance. It is very entertaining.
This post was edited on 1/16/25 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 1/16/25 at 5:21 pm to BBONDS25
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Is 3 billion in losses enough for you? You dumb idiot.
Please, tell me in Amazon’s 3rd year, what their net loss was.
They generated 150 million in sales with roughly 30 million in loss
Would you hoenstly like to compare wha liv “generated” this year compared to spend?
You big dumb idiot
This post was edited on 1/16/25 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 1/16/25 at 5:23 pm to lsupride87
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Please, tell me in Amazon’s 3rd year, what their net loss was.
Read the link dummy. Amazon lost 3 billion in 9 years. It discusses other tech companies losing money for a decade as well. You’re an ignorant moron. Take your L. You called something tat is not uncommon unheard of. Better tell Bezos his company is a failure. Dummy.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 5:24 pm to lsupride87
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They generated 150 million in sales with roughly 30 million in loss
Yikes. Someone doesn’t know the revenue is not profit.
read the link. Quit digging the hole. You aren’t a bright business person. No harm in that. Just maybe don’t opine with such hubris when you’re a complete ignorant idiot. 
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