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re: LIV has broken Brandel's brain
Posted on 6/13/22 at 5:18 pm to ell_13
Posted on 6/13/22 at 5:18 pm to ell_13
quote:The tour could have addressed every issue and done exactly what the players wanted on every single issue
Golfers never really had that option till now and the tour is crying about it and deflecting from their own problems. Putting your head in the sand isn’t going to fix the inherent problems.
And it still wouldn’t matter when someone shows up with 200 or 125 million dollars. DJ has always been pretty straight up about it
Their only real choice was ban them or not ban them. They had zero shot at keeping them from leaving. They couldn’t come close to matching the money
This post was edited on 6/13/22 at 5:23 pm
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Posted on 6/13/22 at 5:41 pm to lsupride87
That is completely false. I’m not talking about what the tour could have done last month. I’m talking about years ago and leading up to now. And I’m not talking about the huge contracts either. Zero pay for those cut. Not paying for caddy expenses and on and on have kept people from being much more loyal to the PGA. LIV is doing the little things that allow them to exist and be able to offer guys multiple tournaments to play in. That doesn’t happen if there’s no field because pro golfers are happy. And the tour doesn’t freak out knowing that they’ve treated more than half their pros worse than single A minor leaguers.
ETA: my point is that for LIV to exist they had to have more than just the big money for the big guys. They had to take care of the whole field so they could attract younger guys too. Imagine leaving college and knowing that a LIV invite means livelihood and Q school and Korn Ferry meant years of struggle. Where are they going to go? There’s no tour for DJ to go to to get 200 million if there isn’t a place where a tour is viable for the middle to lower ranked guys as well. They had to take care of that first. If the PGA had been addressing that area, LIV couldn’t attract them.
ETA: my point is that for LIV to exist they had to have more than just the big money for the big guys. They had to take care of the whole field so they could attract younger guys too. Imagine leaving college and knowing that a LIV invite means livelihood and Q school and Korn Ferry meant years of struggle. Where are they going to go? There’s no tour for DJ to go to to get 200 million if there isn’t a place where a tour is viable for the middle to lower ranked guys as well. They had to take care of that first. If the PGA had been addressing that area, LIV couldn’t attract them.
This post was edited on 6/13/22 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 6/13/22 at 5:58 pm to ell_13
quote:All if that wouldn’t matter when LIV came offer DJ 125 million. He is still bolting because it wouldn’t be close to what the PGA is paying him. DJ doesn’t care if LIV is sustainable or becomes a complete failure. It means nothing to him
That is completely false. I’m not talking about what the tour could have done last month. I’m talking about years ago and leading up to now. And I’m not talking about the huge contracts either. Zero pay for those cut. Not paying for caddy expenses and on and on have kept people from being much more loyal to the PGA. LIV is doing the little things that allow them to exist and be able to offer guys multiple tournaments to play in. That doesn’t happen if there’s no field because pro golfers are happy. And the tour doesn’t freak out knowing that they’ve treated more than half their pros worse than single A minor leaguers.
One can argue banning the players was a bad move, but arguing there was a play for the PGA to make the players happy enough to not bolt to 100 million dollar pay days just doesn’t exist. LIV was coming for big name players one way or the other
This post was edited on 6/13/22 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 6/13/22 at 6:07 pm to lsupride87
I’m saying LIV doesn’t exist without the better setup for the middle and bottom guys who are there from week to week. There’s nothing to offer DJ and the others if they don’t exist. 
The LIV wants to be a real competitor and what they’re doing to attract the middle and bottom is the problem, Not the millions they can pay to a few guys. The PGA wouldn’t give a frick if DJ was getting 125 to go play a few tournaments overseas. It’s the whole setup and specifically how they’re going to pull young talent that scares them. We focus on Phil and DJ because they’re the big names that will get us watching the tournaments and the golf channel when they bitch but the PGA knows that’s not who’s going to mess things up 10 years from now. It’s the top young guys who go to that tour to be taken care of early on and stay there.
The LIV wants to be a real competitor and what they’re doing to attract the middle and bottom is the problem, Not the millions they can pay to a few guys. The PGA wouldn’t give a frick if DJ was getting 125 to go play a few tournaments overseas. It’s the whole setup and specifically how they’re going to pull young talent that scares them. We focus on Phil and DJ because they’re the big names that will get us watching the tournaments and the golf channel when they bitch but the PGA knows that’s not who’s going to mess things up 10 years from now. It’s the top young guys who go to that tour to be taken care of early on and stay there. Posted on 6/13/22 at 6:10 pm to ell_13
quote:This makes zero sense. LIV has 500+ billion
I’m saying LIV doesn’t exist without the better setup for the middle and bottom guys who are there from week to week
Once they decided they wanted to pay big money, it was going to exist no matter how happy the middle and lower tier pga players were. All LIV would do is lay the big guys huge money and fill out the bottom guys with whomever. They don’t give a shite
And LIV has the money to offer top young guys instant huge money. The PGA can’t match that even if they wanted to. Their money has a limit tied to actual revenue
No matter how happy the PGA made the middle tier players, LIV can make them happier, AKA richer
This post was edited on 6/13/22 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 6/13/22 at 6:11 pm to ell_13
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ell_13
You're absolutely right, but you are trying to reason with someone who doesn't know a thing about professional golf
Posted on 6/13/22 at 6:12 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
You are such a clown
In the other thread even you knew preventing big name players from taking 100 million dollar deals was impossible to prevent. Your only argument was the PGA shouldn’t ban the players
In the other thread even you knew preventing big name players from taking 100 million dollar deals was impossible to prevent. Your only argument was the PGA shouldn’t ban the players
Posted on 6/13/22 at 6:16 pm to lsupride87
You’re being short sighted. Quit thinking like a fan. Does LIV need big names? Yes. In the short term that means big money right now. That’s not what the PGA has the biggest issue with though. It’s their future. LIVs biggest appeal is everyone getting paid, caddies being taken care of, etc. It will appeal to the best young golfers who don’t want to spend years trying to make a cut where they can finally afford to travel on their own for a few months. That’s what’s going to keep them going because the PGA has been shite at that for so long.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 6:20 pm to lsupride87
The ban is a joke. It’s too little too late. They put themselves in that corner. They could have made changes years ago to how players were paid but they were greedy and shortsighted. They thought they could be. Players had nowhere else to go and there was no union to appease. LIV changes that. But instead of trying to improve their setup to keep the best golfers on tour, they waited and acted like LIV was never going to do what they’re doing. They left themselves one really bad option: a ban. It could easily backfire. The majors are not beholden to tour rules in the long run.
This post was edited on 6/13/22 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 6/13/22 at 6:28 pm to ell_13
I don’t disagree at all the PGA should have been more aggressive with fixing issues while LIV didn’t exist. But the initial poaching of the big name players was happening regardless. LIV didn’t wait and they didn’t need to wait until they had a sustainable model or core group of middle or lower tier players. Their funds are already there and guaranteed
This post was edited on 6/13/22 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 6/13/22 at 6:37 pm to lsupride87
I’m saying they have the sustainable model now and it was necessary to be a viable tour. The viability and being attractive to the future DJs will hurt the PGA way more than losing DJ and Phil and the like. The PGA’s ban isn’t even effective at stopping the big names from taking the huge pay day. The bad publicity and losing sponsors is more likely to stop those guys with egos. The ban was directed at those young people. The PGA is telling them that if they chose to make a living for themselves in a league that allows you to actually survive in the profession before getting top 10s, then they can never play for the PGA where they won’t get paid anyway unless they make cuts. If you’re a college kid thinking about your future, where are you more likely to go? So instead of making changes, the PGA is putting itself in a lose lose situation. Lose the big names who laugh at your attempt at sharing revenue (the FedEx Cup) and lose the up and comers who will decide that making money is better than not making money.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 6:39 pm to ell_13
quote:I disagree. Without OWGR points, all they have is a big payout for players to bridge to the senior tour, and the model they currently have was impossible to prevent
I’m saying they have the sustainable model now and it was necessary to be a viable tour
This post was edited on 6/13/22 at 6:41 pm
Posted on 6/13/22 at 6:43 pm to lsupride87
The OGWR will either come around or be obsolete as the better golfers go to LIV and the majors change their eligibility criteria. Majors aren’t majors if they don’t invite the best of the best. If the OGWR no longer represents the best, then it’s useless. The viability of LIV isn’t predicated on it.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 7:29 pm to ell_13
Brandel pulling the Christian card on Bryson. The melt continues 
Posted on 6/13/22 at 8:11 pm to wutangfinancial
Live from the US Open is unwatchable. They opened with all LIV. Well, it started with Brandel saying “1913 open and we all remember what happened then”
No Brandel, one of us including you remember the 1913 open at the Country Club.
Jeez he’s such a douche.
No Brandel, one of us including you remember the 1913 open at the Country Club.
Jeez he’s such a douche.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 8:13 pm to wutangfinancial
Didn’t the PGA implement the WGC events to be like LIV years ago? Global - no cut events, higher payout and limited field.
I feel like the tour didn’t differentiate or put enough emphasis on the WGC. Right now 3 of the 4 events are in North America too - not global enough. They should have had a few players with invites (Phil, Tiger regardless of world rank).
But all that said the money will not be the same.
I feel like the tour didn’t differentiate or put enough emphasis on the WGC. Right now 3 of the 4 events are in North America too - not global enough. They should have had a few players with invites (Phil, Tiger regardless of world rank).
But all that said the money will not be the same.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 8:18 pm to CoachChappy
quote:Name someone
This is laughable.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 8:20 pm to AlxTgr
Tiger Woods
Posted on 6/14/22 at 10:17 am to CoachChappy
quote:
Tiger Woods
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:00 pm to Strannix
quote:
Branded Chamblee is a piece of shite, failure as a player and Human being.
Wow.. That's a bit harsh. I don't care for him but geez it's just golf commentating
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