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re: PGA denying waivers to the LIV’s first event
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:00 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:00 pm to lsupride87
It’s called competition! Other companies deal with it everyday.
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Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:03 pm to threeputt
quote:Tbey deal with it by doing anything and everything they can to kill their competition
It’s called competition! Other companies deal with it everyday.
The LIV has money
The Tour has the prestige and tradition
They are both playing their hand.
Neither “want competition”. They both want to decimate the other. Money will absolutely win if the R&A and USGA allow LIV players, because I would assume Augusta would follow
This post was edited on 5/10/22 at 9:04 pm
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:04 pm to lsupride87
quote:You are wrong. Look at waste management. It’s a different atmosphere and game there. Imagine a whole tour with that kind of vibe. It would attract a lot of viewers. The masters is always the masters but they have nothing to do with the PGA. Same for the Open and even the USGA technically. The PGA is in a corner. They’re trying to fight back and I get it, but it’s a gamble.
Fans care about the majors only in terms of the name of the tournament for viewing purposes, besides that, they care about the popularity of the players playing
ETA: The masters, the USGA, The Open… have nothing to do with the PGA and who they allow on your.
This post was edited on 5/10/22 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:06 pm to ell_13
quote:You call me wrong and then everything you type agrees with me
You are wrong
This isn’t like football or basketball where other leagues fail because people are so entrenched with the teams and structure already. People are attached the the players only here besides the Majors
If the LIV is going to offer tons of money, the players will go to their tournaments, and the viewership follows
Tell me a way the PGA tour can stay successful while allowing LIV to have its players? I’m genuine asking
quote:We know that. But the USGA and R&A have only made one public comment on LIV, and it was “We stand with the PGA tour”
ETA: The masters, the USGA, The Open… have nothing to do with the PGA and who they allow on your.
One would assume the PGA Tour has some backing to take the stance they did today
This post was edited on 5/10/22 at 9:09 pm
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:07 pm to lsupride87
No. You are so wrong. 3 of the 4 majors have nothing to do with the PGA.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:10 pm to ell_13
quote:Uh, no shite. And the governing body for two of those majors only public comment on LIV was “we stand with the PGA tour”.
You are so wrong. 3 of the 4 majors have nothing to do with the PGA.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:10 pm to lsupride87
Those comments mean absolutely zero. “Standing” with the pga means zero when they can technically invite whomever they want. Passive support doesn’t change that.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:11 pm to SingleMalt1973
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Also the PGA Tour is basically saying they own the players.
Yeah, they own them by only paying them $1.4 million per year on average and trying to protect the tour for the other 120 players the Saudi league doesn’t want. How dare they do such a thing.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:13 pm to ell_13
If the USGA and R&A allow LIV players than the PGA is toast
The PGA can’t survive with LIV.
If morikowa can play LIV, make more money, and still play majors and other events he chooses how does the PGA Tour survive? I’m seriously asking. You said they don’t have to take this gamble, but how can they survive with LIV?
The PGA can’t survive with LIV.
If morikowa can play LIV, make more money, and still play majors and other events he chooses how does the PGA Tour survive? I’m seriously asking. You said they don’t have to take this gamble, but how can they survive with LIV?
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:19 pm to lsupride87
The euro tour and others have existed before. The pga was the big dog because they had the money. Now they have to compete. How is that bad? They’ll have to be more open and more aggressive at getting players. But making players choose… they’re going for high reward, big gamble. It’s not the strategy that is complacent. They think they have the biggest dick and are trying to swing it. But they’re underestimating the competition imo.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:21 pm to lsupride87
The Liv has announced 8 events for 2022 only 3 are in the summer. The rest are in the fall when most players take a break from the tour. The PGA tour might be cutting off its nose to spite its face,
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:22 pm to lsupride87
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IYou said they don’t have to take this gamble, but how can they survive with LIV?
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If morikowa can play LIV, make more money, and still play majors and other events he chooses
You answered your own question. Sponsors (where the big names make the majority of their money) will still want their guys to play a lot of golf in the US.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:23 pm to ell_13
quote:How is having a rival with unlimited money to take away your product(players) bad?
How is that bad?
I’m not arguing if LIV is good for the fans, but the PGA can’t exist when there is a league out there with infinite money to give players
The PGA tours money is tied to actual viewership, popularity, sponsors, etc. LIV has a basic money machine. They can’t compete for players with that as the competition
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:25 pm to threeputt
quote:LIV can easily buy their way into US courses. They already have 3 billion in money committed for the next 3 years and it hasn’t even started….
Sponsors (where the big names make the majority of their money) will still want their guys to play a lot of golf in the US.
This post was edited on 5/10/22 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:26 pm to threeputt
The big names are starting to play less. They get by on 15-20 tournaments per year. The money allows for it now. Majors and sponsorships can handle over half of those for the big names. The PGA doesn’t have the pull they used to. Thanks Tiger.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:28 pm to lsupride87
Well then, if they have the better operation they may over take the tour in due time. I still remember when Walmart was the big dog before Amazon.
My whole point was that there is still a way for these guys to play both tours if they wished. The tour just has control over the retirement and fed ex cup. If they then decide to ban players from trying to qualify for events - then that’s a bold strategy because now they become an exhibition and not a “tour”
My whole point was that there is still a way for these guys to play both tours if they wished. The tour just has control over the retirement and fed ex cup. If they then decide to ban players from trying to qualify for events - then that’s a bold strategy because now they become an exhibition and not a “tour”
This post was edited on 5/10/22 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:28 pm to lsupride87
quote:They can and they will if forced to.
the PGA can’t exist when there is a league out there with infinite money to give players
The PGA tours money is tied to actual viewership, popularity, sponsors, etc. LIV has a basic money machine. They can’t compete for players with that as the competition
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:32 pm to threeputt
All excellent points, threeputt
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:33 pm to ell_13
The R&A already announced the removal of the Asian Tour exemption into the Open, which is the tour most tied to LIV. A lot of people took that as a sign where they will stand when it comes to LIV players. Time will tell.
But I truly believe if LIV players are allowed by the R&A and USGA, they will decimate the PGA tour
But I truly believe if LIV players are allowed by the R&A and USGA, they will decimate the PGA tour
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:35 pm to ell_13
It seems like y’all are under the assumption if the PGA tour alllwed it’s players to play LIV, that LIV was going to be nice and friendly and always keep their events at different times than the PGA tour.
I think their goal is to get the big names, then break the PGA tour
I think their goal is to get the big names, then break the PGA tour
This post was edited on 5/10/22 at 9:36 pm
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