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re: Sam is done USGA just screwed him in the fairway and about to go 2 down
Posted on 6/15/25 at 8:01 pm to Clea
Posted on 6/15/25 at 8:01 pm to Clea
That rule is probably the most misunderstood in the game. Water must be present above ground before you take a stance. That lie did not grant a free drop.
This post was edited on 6/15/25 at 8:02 pm
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Posted on 6/15/25 at 8:13 pm to Swagga
The rain delay really screwed Sam. Like the pit boss calling in a new dealer; just changes everything.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 8:16 pm to The Pickwick
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Water must be present above ground before you take a stance
It might be somewhat misunderstood, but you just look like a moron with this dumbass statement. So water must be visibly standing before I take my stance for it to be considered casual water? You’re not a usga official are you? Just say no please
Posted on 6/15/25 at 8:16 pm to tigerinthebueche
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The rain delay really screwed Sam. Like the pit boss calling in a new dealer; just changes everything.
Dude everyone else had to get off the course too.
Burns choked big time.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 8:20 pm to Duffnshank
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You’re not a usga official are you?
I’m not. But the decision book states the following:
“It is not enough for the ground to be merely wet, muddy or soft or for the water to be momentarily visible as the player steps on the ground; an accumulation of water must remain present either before or after the stance is taken”.
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So water must be visibly standing before I take my stance for it to be considered casual water?
According to the rules, yes.
After seeing the video, it’s easy to understand why he did not get a free drop.
This post was edited on 6/15/25 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 6/15/25 at 8:23 pm to grizzlylongcut
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Burns choked big time.
Where did I say otherwise. All I said was it screwed him. It helped JJ, per JJ.
Calm your tits bro. Did he steal your girl
Or something?
Posted on 6/15/25 at 8:25 pm to DeafVallyBatnR
Bad ruling... maybe but what all the other bad shots? Never leave your game in someone else's hands.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 8:25 pm to Strannix
Yep. See previous posts.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 8:49 pm to Strannix
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The ruling was a joke but that didnt cost him the tournament
We will never know. JJ Spaun seeing that double started rolling.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 9:04 pm to The Pickwick
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an accumulation of water must remain present either before or after the stance is taken”
This is exactly correct, you said water has to be standing to get relief. If you take a stance, and water becomes present, you get relief.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 9:08 pm to Duffnshank
It must remain present, you buffoon. The video clearly shows it did not remain present after stomping on the ground.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 9:11 pm to The Pickwick
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”It is not enough for the ground to be merely wet, muddy or soft or for the water to be momentarily visible as the player steps on the ground; an accumulation of water must remain present either before or after the stance is taken”.
That is specifically to check stance and has no ruling on water under ball.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 9:12 pm to Duffnshank
He was not arguing standing water on his stance!!!!!!
Posted on 6/15/25 at 9:15 pm to BallChamp00
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“A ball is in temporary water when it lies in or any part of it touches the temporary water.”
Divot had water accumulated. Ball was touching it. The ball was clearly in temporary water.
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If the temporary water interferes with your stance, lie of the ball, or the area of your intended swing, you can take relie
Backswing slung water. Affected area of swing.
It was 100% the wrong ruling.
This post was edited on 6/15/25 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 6/15/25 at 9:20 pm to The Pickwick
I didn’t see a video, nor do I need one. I do know what you said originally isn’t the rule. Seriously guy? Standing water present before I take a stance??? So I have to ask, if I take a stance before water is showing, then water appears what does that mean? Just trying to clarify? How long does it have to stand over the soles of my shoes before I get relief it that is what you’re saying…
Posted on 6/15/25 at 9:20 pm to BallChamp00
Wasn’t he arguing what casual water is? He is in fact arguing casual water whether it be his stance or ball it’s still considered casual water. It can be one or other or both.
This post was edited on 6/15/25 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 6/15/25 at 9:21 pm to Duffnshank
He was. Temporary water Under the ball.
This post was edited on 6/15/25 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 6/15/25 at 9:24 pm to Duffnshank
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Standing water present before I take a stance??? So I have to ask, if I take a stance before water is showing, then water appears what does that mean?
Means you don’t get free relief.
Video is on first page of this thread.
This post was edited on 6/15/25 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 6/15/25 at 9:25 pm to The Pickwick
That’s patently false and I think you know that
Posted on 6/15/25 at 9:26 pm to Duffnshank
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How long does it have to stand over the soles of my shoes before I get relief it that is what you’re saying…
There is no time. It’s directly when ur stance is taken. Both feet on ground at a distance away from ball to hit it. The second both feet are on ground if you see water or bubbles it is temporary water.
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