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re: Sam is done USGA just screwed him in the fairway and about to go 2 down
Posted on 6/15/25 at 9:27 pm to BallChamp00
Posted on 6/15/25 at 9:27 pm to BallChamp00
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Divot had water accumulated.
Doesn’t look like water in the divot from the video shown. It appears you had to stand on the ground to get water to come up.
I’m no rules official but I think it was a good ruling.
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Posted on 6/15/25 at 9:27 pm to The Pickwick
Again, I’ll ask you to stand by your original claim in this thread…If I take my stance, and water becomes present, I do not get relief? Is that correct in what you’re suggesting?
Posted on 6/15/25 at 9:27 pm to Duffnshank
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That’s patently false
No, it’s not.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 9:28 pm to BallChamp00
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The second both feet are on ground if you see water or bubbles it is temporary water.
That’s not correct.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 9:29 pm to BallChamp00
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The second both feet are on ground if you see water or bubbles it is temporary water
And here is the answer again
Posted on 6/15/25 at 9:29 pm to Duffnshank
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If I take my stance, and water becomes present, I do not get relief? Is that correct in what you’re suggesting?
100% correct.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 9:32 pm to The Pickwick
Please explain, I’m interested. Again, if I take a stance, water appears, how is that not considered casual water? How exactly do they determine casual water from a stance then if I might add?
Posted on 6/15/25 at 9:33 pm to The Pickwick
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That’s not correct.
Well the person who taught me rules from the PGA is wrong.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 9:33 pm to Duffnshank
It was a bad break but he could have and should have gotten up and down.
He imploded everywhere on the back 9. Tough break but that didn’t cost him the tourney.
JJ had a ton of bad breaks today.
He imploded everywhere on the back 9. Tough break but that didn’t cost him the tourney.
JJ had a ton of bad breaks today.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 9:34 pm to The Pickwick
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I’m no rules official but I think it was a good ruling.
I am. And I believe it is bad ruling. Terrible in fact.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 9:36 pm to Duffnshank
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How exactly do they determine casual water from a stance then if I might add?
If you are standing in water then you get relief. You can not use your feet to “make” water appear. If you have to do that to draw water to the surface, you are not entitled to free relief.
This post was edited on 6/15/25 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 6/15/25 at 9:37 pm to BallChamp00
A lot of guys from the “pga” are wrong man. It’s not the end of the world. Wouldn’t you rather know what the rules actually are and how they can be used to your advantage if it ever came up? I don’t know what Sam’s ball looked like, it’s entirely possible he shouldn’t have gotten relief, but what you’re saying here is 100% not the rule. If I were you I’d want to know, vs what I’ve been told. It may be beneficial at some point is all I’m saying
Posted on 6/15/25 at 9:38 pm to BallChamp00
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How exactly do they determine casual water from a stance then if I might add?
You’re entitled to your opinion. I highly doubt you are a very good official if you disagree with two USGA guys on this particular ruling.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 9:39 pm to Duffnshank
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If I were you I’d want to know, vs what I’ve been told. It may be beneficial at some point is all I’m saying
This post was edited on 6/15/25 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 6/15/25 at 9:39 pm to The Pickwick
I dont know if they were wrong or not but the fact is, I know for a fact you’re wrong
Posted on 6/15/25 at 9:40 pm to The Pickwick
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I highly doubt you are a very good official if you disagree with two USGA guys on this particular ruling.
Everyone is saying it was wrong.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 9:41 pm to Duffnshank
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Duffnshank
You need to stop responding to me. You are arguing with the other guy not me.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 9:44 pm to BallChamp00
Sorry, I got the quote wrong. I knew you had the correct answer. Wasn’t my argument. My apologies
Posted on 6/15/25 at 9:53 pm to The Pickwick
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You can not use your feet to “make” water appear
Well you don’t “make” water appear, it’s actually already there. Hence the name “casual or temporary” water. It’s there already, just need a spot I can drop it a couple feet away and play the shot is all.
This post was edited on 6/15/25 at 11:09 pm
Posted on 6/16/25 at 6:58 am to DeafVallyBatnR
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Horrible ruling in fairway with no relief from water.
I missed that, because after 11 and 12 I went to shite and shower because I was heading somewhere. But where I felt he started to actually lose it, was on 11 i think. he hits 3w middle/right of the fairway and it rolls and rolls and rolls and rolls, ok, fine, it rolls off the fairway into the 1st cut........oh btw, its in the forward position of a divot. he made good contact but then flew that shot into the sand or deep stuff by the green, then overshot the green. that drive that ended up in the divot is where you can see him starting to unravel. then of course 15 happened on top of that.
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