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re: Tiger, McIlroy Leading Effort to Create PGA Tour Circuit With $20 Million Purses
Posted on 8/24/22 at 1:02 pm to bopper50
Posted on 8/24/22 at 1:02 pm to bopper50
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Did LIV accelerate the changes, absolutely
I was told repeatedly this wasn't true, by Tour brass themselves, amongst others.
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As a fan, it's important to me that the Tours history abd recoreds will be protected .
And 95% of the players couldn't care less about that
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Posted on 8/24/22 at 1:21 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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And 95% of the players couldn't care less about that
And without fans who cherish the game, it's history and the records, the players would be flipping burgers.
Tiger chasing Jack's record grew the game of golf worldwide.
Now new Tour Players will chase Tigers records .
Posted on 8/24/22 at 1:21 pm to bopper50
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It's still a business that requires a lot of infrastructure and logistics. Tournaments just don't happen by themselves.
The tour still insists on being identified by its "charity" and "tax-exempted" status. If it gets hard to meet their financial demands the PGA may only have to look that far to see the real problem. It was suggested by the players that they change that business model.
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Through out these discussions I have always said that the Players own the Tour and it’s up to them to enact change.
Did LIV accelerate the changes, absolutely. It's also important that the players loyalty to their tour should be rewarded.
Where would change be without this outside pressure? Do you really think we would be here today at this speed?
McIlroy was asked that very question and this was his reply:
Asked if there was any truth in Mickelson’s criticisms, McIlroy said: “Yeah, as much as I probably don’t want to give Phil any sort of credit at all, there were certain points that he was trying to make.
“But there’s a way to go about them. There’s a way to collaborate. You get all the top players in the world together and you get them on the same page. You then go to the Tour and you suggest ideas and you work together. This was pure collaboration.
Collaboration with a completely different sense of urgency as the best players were streaming to the LIV tour. He's living in a fantasy land if he thinks he got anything without all these brand names leaving. These guys are still about as thankless as it gets.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 1:26 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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And 95% of the players couldn't care less about that
You don’t think pro golfers grew up as fans of the game?
Posted on 8/24/22 at 1:28 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Now, the top 60 players will be playing for $20 MM a week and the others will be playing for $7 MM a week with bigger fields. These changes really seperate the on course earning potential for the Top 10 compared to 100-125, which wasn't really the case before.
I agree with that. But this is what the PGA is willing to concede and do. And Tiger was never offering anything in his business model too much except the rich getting richer. They certainly accomplished that.
The FedEx Cup Playoff going from 125 players to 70 is another blow to a lot of very good golfers. But it's what Monahan was willing to do. Those 55 players, outside looking in, and many more like them, should be looking hard for continued change and business options in the future.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 1:29 pm to MikeD
I'm fine with these changes if that is what the Players want. After all, it is their Tour.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 1:29 pm to MikeD
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You don’t think pro golfers grew up as fans of the game?
How much do regular golf fans care about thr Hall of Fame?
Posted on 8/24/22 at 1:30 pm to RedHawk
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I'm fine with these changes if that is what the Players want. After all, it is their Tour
Quite the about face
Posted on 8/24/22 at 1:42 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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How much do regular golf fans care about thr Hall of Fame?
I would think a lot. Why should it be any different than Pro Football, MLB. NBA. Tennis. Etc...
Golf like every other sport has it's loyal/rabid fans and the casual observers.
Probably plenty of people that play golf that don't watch it on TV.
But it's not only loyal fans but junior golfers who dream of playing on tour study the game and its records.
Tiger kept pictures of Jack and a list of his records on his bedroom walls growing up.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 1:47 pm to bopper50
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I would think a lot
You'd think wrong.
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But it's not only loyal fans but junior golfers who dream of playing on tour study the game and its records.
Id bet half the kids or more that just played in the US Am only know Sevy as a name and don't have no idea Faldo won multiple Masters.
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Tiger kept pictures of Jack and a list of his records on his bedroom walls growing up.
Using one of the most maniacal human beings alive as an example does nothing. And that's before we get into the internet and attention span of the modern consumer.
No matter how bad you want it to, this legacy and tradition shite doesn't do anything for hardly anyone. And that's why everything, including today's changes, revolve around what really matters, money
This post was edited on 8/24/22 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:01 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
It's your right to not have any heroes and not respect the games history and those that built the Tour.
Way before the internet we had shows like Shells Wonderful World of golf that showed matches between guys like Bryon Nelson vs Gene Littler playing Pine Valley. These guys shot in the 60's with hickory shafts.
To you. golf is like pinball, that's cool.
Way before the internet we had shows like Shells Wonderful World of golf that showed matches between guys like Bryon Nelson vs Gene Littler playing Pine Valley. These guys shot in the 60's with hickory shafts.
To you. golf is like pinball, that's cool.
This post was edited on 8/24/22 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:03 pm to bopper50
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It's your right to not have any heroes and not respect the games history and those that built the Tour.
I never said I didn't. But the fact remains most people who watch golf don't, especially younger people.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:09 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:Who gives a frick?
Id bet half the kids or more that just played in the US Am only know Sevy as a name and don't have no idea Faldo won multiple Masters.
We all know.
Does Marcus Mariota know about or care about the history of football? Probably not. He’s trying to scratch and claw to stay in the league to cash checks. Him caring about the history of the game doesn’t matter in the slightest.
But it matters to plenty fans and to the guys at the top chasing and making history. And all of that betters the game of football.
That’s even more relevant in golf.
Having perspective and being able to contextualize what we’re seeing is a huge part of what makes the PGA Tour great.
Why are you acting like some 13 year old TikTok nerd who is too cool to care about anything other than lame, hollow entertainment?
Go watch your LIV tour.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:11 pm to bamameister
I assume what I saw on Twitter regarding "a tech-infused golf league" that has 5 televised Monday night matches featuring six teams of three players each. 18 holes in two hours with no walking between holes. Is a part of this?
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:14 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Who gives a frick?
Obviously Bopper.
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Does Marcus Mariota know about or care about the history of football? Probably not. He’s trying to scratch and claw to stay in the league to cash checks. Him caring about the history of the game doesn’t matter in the slightest.
I agree, and that's why the top players in the game just got a shite ton more money. All this legacy talk by Monohan and others was total bullshite. None of these guys outside of, what, maybe 5 care about that.
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Why are you acting like some 13 year old TikTok nerd who is too cool to care about anything other than lame, hollow entertainment?
That nerd is the next consumer, whether you or I like it or not. There's like 20 golfers in the world people want to watch. And that's what we're likely going to see going forward. And that's a totally different model than we had.... yesterday. The game is changing, it is what it is. Arguing legacy and history and how important is ain't changing a damn thing.
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Go watch your LIV tour.
I'll watch both. And the changes the Tour made today will make 20 events or so almost can't miss for golf fans and the other 30 almost irrelevant for everyone but the most hardcore fan.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:15 pm to Tsw
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I assume what I saw on Twitter regarding "a tech-infused golf league" that has 5 televised Monday night matches featuring six teams of three players each. 18 holes in two hours with no walking between holes. Is a part of this?
Yes and no. It's a way for Tiger and Rory and other big names to get more what is essentially garaunteed money. But it's not part of the Tour per say
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:28 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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But the fact remains most people who watch golf don't, especially younger people.
I guess you qualify yourself as a younger person.
Did you ever collect Baseball cards ? That's collect history.
You don't remember certain a football play that led a championship like Burrow to Jefferson in the Texas game ?
I have Roger Marris's autograph. I shouldn't remember his 61 homerun season ?
If you have never had the experience of sitting around the barbershop rembering sports. I feel sorry for you and your generation.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:28 pm to ReauxlTide222
Well said.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:33 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Quite the about face
I've always said it is the Player's tour and they can govern it the way they best see fit.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:33 pm to bopper50
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Did you ever collect Baseball cards ?
Not really. They were going out just as I was getting to that age. I still have some but it wasn't a big deal when I was a kid.
I like history of all kinds, but younger people are caring less and less about that type stuff and only want to see the big names in big events. It's happening in every sport
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