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re: Who is the better golfer?
Posted on 6/22/20 at 8:26 am to AZTiger7072
Posted on 6/22/20 at 8:26 am to AZTiger7072
Player 1. Drive for show, putt for dough.
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Posted on 6/22/20 at 8:41 am to VernonPLSUfan
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Drive for show, putt for dough.
Factually incorrect
Posted on 6/22/20 at 9:29 am to AZTiger7072
I’d take number 1. Because of the putting number. Unless those 27 putts were unusual. If I can get to below 30 I’m happy.
I have had 35, 31,32, 29 and 28. The past 5 rounds
I have had 35, 31,32, 29 and 28. The past 5 rounds
Posted on 6/22/20 at 9:45 am to The Johnny Lawrence
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I need more stats and maybe some shot link data.
The guy missed 11 greens and still shot even par? Did he get up and down 11 times? Did he chip in a couple times? Did he make birdies on the 7 holes he got on in regulation?
Did player two have a ton of two putts or a mix of 3 putts and 1 putts?
What course did y'all play? What tees?
Who hits it further?
This is a tease. I need a ton of information to game this out.
I agree with most of this... 1 round is very hard to determine.
Player 2 could have hit to an average of 15' all day and just had a bad day putting.
Player 1 could have barely missed fairways and GIR but just had a great day putting.
Sample size of 1 round is too small to determine the "Better Golfer"
If this is how they play every round then I'll take Player 1 with the scrambling and putting.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 9:55 am to reggo75
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If this is how they play every round then I'll take Player 1 with the scrambling and putting.
This makes no sense to me, especially with amateurs.
If I put you and a pro 20 feet from the hole on the green, you'll both get it in the hole in two strokes the super majority of the time.
If I put you and a pro in the fairway at 160 yards, the pro is going to get in the hole at least a half of a stroke quicker than you.
Better ball striking wins every time. The best putters gain like 1.25 strokes per round putting. The best ball strikers gain like 2.6 shots tee to green.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 10:16 am to Mingo Was His NameO
You aren't comparing a bad am to a good am. Both of these players are obviously good ams with one being slightly better at hitting greens while the other is significantly better at their short game. At least based on this one round. An am who can make birdies when he hits greens and pars when he doesn't is better than the am who can get somewhere on the green, rarely close and when he is close can't make a putt.
ETA: It's also possible that player 2 can't chip to save his life.
ETA: It's also possible that player 2 can't chip to save his life.
This post was edited on 6/22/20 at 10:20 am
Posted on 6/22/20 at 10:19 am to ell_13
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. An am who can make birdies when he hits greens and pars when he doesn't is better than the am who can get somewhere on the green, rarely close and when he is close can't make a putt.
I don't disagree, but the best player in the world can't hit 7 greens and shoot 72 with any consistency.
I'm not necessarily talking about this specific round, im talking about the posters that are saying generally that they'd rather be a good putter/chipper over ball striker. Over time, that's absolutely incorrect. Ball striking is consistency is way more important than a good short game.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 10:24 am to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:If you had to be really good at one and suck at the other, I agree. But looking at these two guys, you really only see one "suck" metric and that's the short game of player 2. And even that is an assumption because his ball striking may be just as bad if he's constantly putting from 40-50 ft. where 3 putts are more likely. Player 1 at least has the ability to hit it relatively close and convert. Player 2 either doesn't hit it close or he can't convert at all.
Ball striking is consistency is way more important than a good short game.
This post was edited on 6/22/20 at 10:26 am
Posted on 6/22/20 at 10:32 am to ell_13
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And even that is an assumption because his ball striking may be just as bad if he's constantly putting from 40-50 ft.
He at least seems to know how to keep the ball on the green if thats the case.
Player 1 could shoot 80 if his short game is off. Player 1 is still going to shoot like 75 if he plays bad. In my original post, I said player 1 could take it lower, he's just more prone to playing worse as well.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 10:36 am to Mingo Was His NameO
If player 2 has a bad ball striking day, he won't come close to 80 if he also has 35 putts. But if player 1 has a day where he doesn't putt/chip well, he's still in the high 70s to 80 range.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 10:40 am to ell_13
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If player 2 has a bad ball striking day, he won't come close to 80 if he also has 35 putts.
Right, but surely he wouldn't still have 35 putts. Hitting more greens means more putts generally. Like you said, its hard to say with one round. I'm assuming since both these guys are around scratch players Player 2 is at least competent around the greens and will get up and down a decent amount of time.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 10:50 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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The only number that matters is the score. if player 2 hit that many more greens and lost, he will get drummed on the day when player 1 hits the ball well
you can say that either way. Player 1 will get drummed when Player 2 gets hot with the putter.
My biggest question would be how does someone hit 14 greens but hit nothing close enough to make. His proximity to the hole couldn't have been good. Therefore, not gaining as many strokes as you would expect by hitting 14/18 greens
Posted on 6/22/20 at 11:04 am to AZTiger7072
Need more information.
Is player 1 just in the second cut a lot, missing fairways in greens in the right spots, on some fringes and collection areas, etc? Is he pretty close when he does hit a green and/or hitting all the par 5's in two? Or is he just getting up and down from BFE all day and making a ton of 15 - 20 footers?
Is player two just hitting it to forty or fifty feet all day? Or did he miss a bunch of makeable birdie putts?
Was player two driving it short but straight and just striping his mid-irons but prox to hole wasn't that great? Was player one bomb and gouging it around and might've had a round that seemed a bit ugly on paper but was replicable?
Not enough information to truly tell with the data you gave.
Is player 1 just in the second cut a lot, missing fairways in greens in the right spots, on some fringes and collection areas, etc? Is he pretty close when he does hit a green and/or hitting all the par 5's in two? Or is he just getting up and down from BFE all day and making a ton of 15 - 20 footers?
Is player two just hitting it to forty or fifty feet all day? Or did he miss a bunch of makeable birdie putts?
Was player two driving it short but straight and just striping his mid-irons but prox to hole wasn't that great? Was player one bomb and gouging it around and might've had a round that seemed a bit ugly on paper but was replicable?
Not enough information to truly tell with the data you gave.
This post was edited on 6/22/20 at 11:07 am
Posted on 6/22/20 at 11:36 am to AZTiger7072
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Is it the guy who hits it like a tour jock and occasionally gets hot with the putter? Or the guy who can’t hit for shite but makes everything
Depends on the course and the day...Tomorrow you might possibly be the one shooting 72 and if he doesn't chip or putt well and whoop his arse. if he doesn't putt well on a particular day...That is an 76-80 all day long
On this particular day, Player 1 was the better golfer...That doesn't mean you are bad for shooting 2 over. It just means you need to work on some putting (like me)!
Posted on 6/22/20 at 11:37 am to Gorilla Ball
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I’d take number 1. Because of the putting number. Unless those 27 putts were unusual. If I can get to below 30 I’m happy.
I have had 35, 31,32, 29 and 28. The past 5 rounds
Here’s the thing, I don’t consider myself a good putter, hell I rarely sink anything outside 8ft and anything I make beyond 15 I pretty much consider a bomb... but I rarely if ever have 30 putts in a round. My last 4 were 26, 27, 27, 28
My personal opinion is that if you don’t hit as many greens and chip okay your putting numbers look a lot better.
So if you only hit 7 greens, and then get up and down let’s say 7/11 of greens you missed you were able to chip it close and make the putt. That is at least 7 one putts you’ll record yet they are all pars or worse. So you could easily have 25-28 putts and shoot 80 or worse depending on if you had a couple of double or triple bogies thrown in
Posted on 6/22/20 at 11:44 am to Tiger1242
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Here’s the thing, I don’t consider myself a good putter, hell I rarely sink anything outside 8ft and anything I make beyond 15 I pretty much consider a bomb..
That's average putting. 8ft is 50/50 make miss on the PGA Tour.
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My personal opinion is that if you don’t hit as many greens and chip okay your putting numbers look a lot better.
That's not an opinion, it's a fact.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 11:55 am to Mingo Was His NameO
That’s what I’m saying I’m a very average putter but my putting numbers usually look pretty good. It’s because I’m not hitting as many greens as I should but thankfully getting up and down at a decent clip
Posted on 6/23/20 at 7:47 am to AZTiger7072
Golfer # 2 - Needs to make some putts to go real low.
He's right there
He's right there
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