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Going Heavy - No Cardio Workout ?
Posted on 1/28/25 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 1/28/25 at 1:17 pm
I've been wondering about this kind of workout. Saw the Sports Lite article today about Busch's wife doing it, so figured I asked more about it. Is there a particular name to this kind of workout, so I know how to reference it and research it more?
Is it ZERO cardio that is a part of it to avoid countering other gains? Or can I do a quick 5 min row or jump rope to start to get the blood pumping?
May be wrong, but my basic understanding is that you do higher weight (70-80%), and just do reps until you can't anymore, then try to knock out one more.
Let me know if there is a good thread to read on here about this that is simple to understand for a guy that isn't a workout junkie, but just does what he can when he can. TIA
Is it ZERO cardio that is a part of it to avoid countering other gains? Or can I do a quick 5 min row or jump rope to start to get the blood pumping?
May be wrong, but my basic understanding is that you do higher weight (70-80%), and just do reps until you can't anymore, then try to knock out one more.
Let me know if there is a good thread to read on here about this that is simple to understand for a guy that isn't a workout junkie, but just does what he can when he can. TIA
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Posted on 1/28/25 at 1:22 pm to HagaDaga
I mean it’s just weight lifting lol
Sure do 3-5 min of cardio
But it’s not reps until you can’t do anymore, it’s planned progressive overload
Look if you have never done a linear progression of the basic barbell lifts, do yourself a favor and look at starting strength or StrongLifts
Sure do 3-5 min of cardio
But it’s not reps until you can’t do anymore, it’s planned progressive overload
Look if you have never done a linear progression of the basic barbell lifts, do yourself a favor and look at starting strength or StrongLifts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 1:24 pm to HagaDaga
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May be wrong, but my basic understanding is that you do higher weight (70-80%), and just do reps until you can't anymore, then try to knock out one more.
I’ve done similar to this for like a decade+
Posted on 1/28/25 at 1:29 pm to lsu777
I do basic standard reps now, so not looking into jumping into anything fresh. Just wondering the basics of this style to change it up some and how much different the outcome could be.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 1:30 pm to HagaDaga
I mean if you are lifting heavy either to failure or close to and doing planned progressive overload not much but I always say people should take 6-8 weeks and train to complete and utter failure bodybuilding bro style
It’s fun and you learn some things
It’s fun and you learn some things
Posted on 1/28/25 at 1:35 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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I’ve done similar to this for like a decade+
Thanks. Do you do this all the time or do you change up styles periodically, and this is a part of the rotation?
I've figured this is a workout style that's been around for a while. I'm looking to bulk up as much as I'm looking to improve my strength. Which I'm thinking this helps there.
Yeah, I'm no workout vetern, so I'm sure I'm asking things wrong. Just wondering. The last year, I've been focusing on cardio with basic weight 8-10 reps. Something to get my body and mind into it more, so looking to see what I can do to change it up some.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 1:39 pm to lsu777
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I mean if you are lifting heavy either to failure or close to and doing planned progressive overload not much but I always say people should take 6-8 weeks and train to complete and utter failure bodybuilding bro style
It’s fun and you learn some things
Ok, I get it now. And this is what I'm wondering about. 6-8 week stint to "change it" up, as I feel the basics I do know is just getting boring, repetitive, and thinking I'm plateauing.
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train to complete and utter failure bodybuilding bro style
So is this what I look up to try to find some more info on some starting points?
Or just do what I'm doing now, but just up the weights to push it?Posted on 1/28/25 at 1:42 pm to HagaDaga
I’ll be honest with you, I don’t understand what you are asking here. Lifting in the 70-80% range (or higher) is a standard lifting protocol.
Personally, I think doing no cardio is retarded as cardiovascular and metabolic health is critical to the way I want to live. I can go play hoops, or go on an all day hike, or play 36 holes of golf easily, but ymmv there
Personally, I think doing no cardio is retarded as cardiovascular and metabolic health is critical to the way I want to live. I can go play hoops, or go on an all day hike, or play 36 holes of golf easily, but ymmv there
Posted on 1/28/25 at 1:45 pm to HagaDaga
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utter failure bodybuilding bro style
Ok, just searched this and actually did come up with a bunch of stuff to start with. This pic essentially is what I'm trying to compare. I do the "full body" style, but nowhere near what the guy looks like.
So is this essentially a good way how one breaks down the week? Or a different approach is best?
Posted on 1/28/25 at 1:46 pm to HagaDaga
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I'm looking to bulk up as much as I'm looking to improve my strength.
What are you eating? Diet matters just as much as this heavy duty program you want to try. Also, doing no cardio is just dumb.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 1:48 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Yea I’m not really sure either but if you are looking for bodybuilding style workouts you can look those up, Jeff Millard, John meadows, some of the ppsa programs etc will work
But tell us about what you are doing now, like what is your programming? What is your goals?
When you say plateau do you mean strength? Body composition? Performance like mile time? Heart rate?
What Mingo is saying is you are being very very vague so hard to give advice
I wasn’t saying to go do a bodybuilding workout, need to know more
Like age, current lifting routine, height, weight, how long you been lifting, do you lift in gym etc etc etc
But tell us about what you are doing now, like what is your programming? What is your goals?
When you say plateau do you mean strength? Body composition? Performance like mile time? Heart rate?
What Mingo is saying is you are being very very vague so hard to give advice
I wasn’t saying to go do a bodybuilding workout, need to know more
Like age, current lifting routine, height, weight, how long you been lifting, do you lift in gym etc etc etc
Posted on 1/28/25 at 1:49 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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I’ll be honest with you, I don’t understand what you are asking here. Lifting in the 70-80% range (or higher) is a standard lifting protocol.
It's because I don't know standard protocols. I always figured closer to 55-60% would be basic standard. 8-10 reps. And figured when trying to do this failure bro style it would be higher to where I'm in the 4-5 rep range. Thats why i'm asking.
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Personally, I think doing no cardio is retarded as cardiovascular and metabolic health is critical to the way I want to live. I can go play hoops, or go on an all day hike, or play 36 holes of golf easily, but ymmv there
I would agree, but I was just asking that as I've heard its more just go to gym and hit the weights and no cardio there. Not talking about general hiking, hoops, etc. Didn't know if the body responded differently when there was no cardio before weights or not.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 1:59 pm to lsu777
I'm not trying to be vague on purpose, I just don't know "workout" things. I don't have any specific goals other than "staying in shape." I do 30 or so mins on the elliptical or 15-20 on the row machine. Then I just do basic weight lifting (8-10 reps of 3) stuff. I don't have a 6 pack nor really cut, as I probably eat worse than I should. Though I do internment fasting. I'm in my 30s.
I would like to improve my strength over being bulky. Though I would like to grow my lower half a bit more, legs, glutes, etc, so need to focus there to avoid the "missing leg day" type of jokes.
I'm not looking to wrap everything around working out. I get up early in the morning, and head over to my apt gym for 45-1hr and do what I need to do that day. Then get my day going. I don't take any kind of workout specific supplements, like creatine, protein, etc.
I'm now just looking for something like you said "fun" to change it up some, and just trying to better understand what I should get differently out of it. I'm also not looking to "pull" anything either, so just generally asking for basic info.
I would like to improve my strength over being bulky. Though I would like to grow my lower half a bit more, legs, glutes, etc, so need to focus there to avoid the "missing leg day" type of jokes.
I'm not looking to wrap everything around working out. I get up early in the morning, and head over to my apt gym for 45-1hr and do what I need to do that day. Then get my day going. I don't take any kind of workout specific supplements, like creatine, protein, etc.
I'm now just looking for something like you said "fun" to change it up some, and just trying to better understand what I should get differently out of it. I'm also not looking to "pull" anything either, so just generally asking for basic info.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 2:03 pm to lsu777
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ou can look those up, Jeff Millard, John meadows, some of the ppsa programs etc will work
Cool. I'll look into this. Thanks.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 2:08 pm to HagaDaga
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I'm not trying to be vague on purpose, I just don't know "workout" things. I don't have any specific goals other than "staying in shape." I do 30 or so mins on the elliptical or 15-20 on the row machine. Then I just do basic weight lifting (8-10 reps of 3) stuff. I don't have a 6 pack nor really cut, as I probably eat worse than I should. Though I do internment fasting. I'm in my 30s.
I would like to improve my strength over being bulky. Though I would like to grow my lower half a bit more, legs, glutes, etc, so need to focus there to avoid the "missing leg day" type of jokes.
I'm not looking to wrap everything around working out. I get up early in the morning, and head over to my apt gym for 45-1hr and do what I need to do that day. Then get my day going. I don't take any kind of workout specific supplements, like creatine, protein, etc.
I'm now just looking for something like you said "fun" to change it up some, and just trying to better understand what I should get differently out of it. I'm also not looking to "pull" anything either, so just generally asking for basic info.
ok then...look into greyskull lp
LINK
Posted on 1/28/25 at 2:15 pm to ronricks
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What are you eating? Diet matters just as much as this heavy duty program you want to try. Also, doing no cardio is just dumb.
I know it is a big part of it, but I'm more the "I workout, to enjoy eating what I want" type. And I do cardio, and was just asking if that was a part of this kind of bro workout. Or if I could/should still do 5 or so mins of in gym cardio to get my heart rate up. When the weather starts to get nice, I will go back to riding my bike on a local trail for a few hours too, about once a week, twice if I can knock it out.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 2:18 pm to lsu777
Cool. Thanks. I'll start reading up on that thread. 
BTW - as to supplements to take, any basic recommendations that could help/assist?
BTW - as to supplements to take, any basic recommendations that could help/assist?
Posted on 1/28/25 at 2:19 pm to HagaDaga
protein and creatine are staples, others depend on age, blood markers etc
Posted on 1/28/25 at 2:20 pm to HagaDaga
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I get up early in the morning, and head over to my apt gym for 45-1hr and do what I need to do that day.
I would look into dumbbell specific programs if you are using an apartment gym. Don’t use a smith machine. That’s going to limit your strength, but you can do more than enough with what is available to you
Posted on 1/28/25 at 2:36 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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I would look into dumbbell specific programs if you are using an apartment gym. Don’t use a smith machine. That’s going to limit your strength, but you can do more than enough with what is available to you
Thanks for the heads up. There is a full barebell rack to work with, so I can do this.
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