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Thoughts on GLP-1 peptides
Posted on 10/7/23 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 10/7/23 at 12:15 pm
I went down the peptide rabbit hole the past few days and just wondering what yall thought about them. From the reading I’ve done, it sounds like unless you’re getting name brand MJ or OZ, you’re likely getting peptides from china that are FDA approved since reconstituted in a pharmacy. There’s multiple sources here in the states that provide testing results with each batch so that would eliminate the risk of getting a bad batch..in theory. The other option is order from one of the major china companies and luckily get a good batch.
This post was edited on 10/7/23 at 12:17 pm
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Posted on 10/7/23 at 12:39 pm to Uncle JackD
Unless you are diabetic, why are you considering this?
And if you are diabetic, why would you use black market junk?
And if you are diabetic, why would you use black market junk?
This post was edited on 10/7/23 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 10/7/23 at 12:43 pm to Irregardless
Keep that for the OT. My question was regarding peptides. Regardless of your opinion of these drugs, they’re more popular by the day and will change the weight loss world.
This post was edited on 10/7/23 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 10/7/23 at 1:49 pm to Uncle JackD
(Sorry for the novel).
To preface, as of today...as far as I know, I'm still diabetic, still considered a "New" diabetic I guess (diagnosed in May 2019), but with all the changes I've made in my life this year, there is a good chance my diabetes has gone into or is in remission. I stopped taking injected insulin in January, just take Metformin twice daily and I also take Berberine twice daily as a supplement to control blood glucose. I do bi-weekly spot checks on the sugar and it hasn't been over 100 in many weeks. Yesterday it was 93.
I was given a sample of Ozempic by my doctor to try out in the fall of 2021, it was several weeks supply I don't recall exactly. I didn't think it did much for me until I ran out of my supply and therefore stopped using it and my blood sugar measurements shot up significantly higher in the immediate time after stopping the Ozempic. I got it back under control after several weeks. I think it was probably providing greater blood sugar control than I realized but it damn sure didn't do anything to my body composition or appetite. I also had no side effects. I was on a lower dose by they way, I think it was 0.5mg/week. Probably would have needed a higher dose for a more obvious effect, but then I may have also had some of the negative sides as well.
However you choose to source your medication I think you should let a physician advise and oversee you until you're highly confident you understand the drug and how best to use it to achiever your goals. I would advise getting a "legitimate" source of medication, but how you come to your final decision on how you do that is all your own. I'm sure you are aware of the price, it ain't cheap. Others here have real world experience with where and how to get these things much better than me. I only used actual Ozempic injector pens.
Dr. Jose is the only physician I know for sure visits this board, I'm sure there are others. They've discussed prescribing these things to their patients and they'll have better answers. But this is my .02 as a diabetic who has used it for it's diabetic treatment. I don't judge people morally about it or feel I'm being pushed aside by slightly chubby housewives who want to cut the line so they can lose a few vanity pounds. Obesity is a real problem (I'm obese) and however people can get out from under it is fine by me. The lazy folks who should just build better habits are always a factor in every area of life, cutting in lines both figurative and literal, no reason to get bent out of shape about it. I don't know what your personal reason is for seeking out info on glp1 agonists, but that's your business. I just hope you are of the mind that no medication is going to replace building better habits with diet/nutrition and exercise. Personally, that's what I'm focusing on right now and into the foreseeable future.
To preface, as of today...as far as I know, I'm still diabetic, still considered a "New" diabetic I guess (diagnosed in May 2019), but with all the changes I've made in my life this year, there is a good chance my diabetes has gone into or is in remission. I stopped taking injected insulin in January, just take Metformin twice daily and I also take Berberine twice daily as a supplement to control blood glucose. I do bi-weekly spot checks on the sugar and it hasn't been over 100 in many weeks. Yesterday it was 93.
I was given a sample of Ozempic by my doctor to try out in the fall of 2021, it was several weeks supply I don't recall exactly. I didn't think it did much for me until I ran out of my supply and therefore stopped using it and my blood sugar measurements shot up significantly higher in the immediate time after stopping the Ozempic. I got it back under control after several weeks. I think it was probably providing greater blood sugar control than I realized but it damn sure didn't do anything to my body composition or appetite. I also had no side effects. I was on a lower dose by they way, I think it was 0.5mg/week. Probably would have needed a higher dose for a more obvious effect, but then I may have also had some of the negative sides as well.
However you choose to source your medication I think you should let a physician advise and oversee you until you're highly confident you understand the drug and how best to use it to achiever your goals. I would advise getting a "legitimate" source of medication, but how you come to your final decision on how you do that is all your own. I'm sure you are aware of the price, it ain't cheap. Others here have real world experience with where and how to get these things much better than me. I only used actual Ozempic injector pens.
Dr. Jose is the only physician I know for sure visits this board, I'm sure there are others. They've discussed prescribing these things to their patients and they'll have better answers. But this is my .02 as a diabetic who has used it for it's diabetic treatment. I don't judge people morally about it or feel I'm being pushed aside by slightly chubby housewives who want to cut the line so they can lose a few vanity pounds. Obesity is a real problem (I'm obese) and however people can get out from under it is fine by me. The lazy folks who should just build better habits are always a factor in every area of life, cutting in lines both figurative and literal, no reason to get bent out of shape about it. I don't know what your personal reason is for seeking out info on glp1 agonists, but that's your business. I just hope you are of the mind that no medication is going to replace building better habits with diet/nutrition and exercise. Personally, that's what I'm focusing on right now and into the foreseeable future.
Posted on 10/7/23 at 2:08 pm to DrDenim
I agree with most of what you’ve said. People should absolutely find healthier habits such as eating better and exercise… If these drugs are used correctly, that’s exactly what they do. The housewife with 15lb to lose is definitely not a candidate for these since they are essentially providing weight loss surgery #’s. If you browse the forums, you’ll see tons of ppl who have completely turned their lives around with the assistance of GLPs.
I know more about these meds than most. I’ve done my research and have learned a ton about them. I turn 40 next year and plan to be at my healthiest weight in decades and I give full credit to GLPs.
Anyways… back to peptides
quote:This I don’t agree with. No one is cutting you in line. Wegovy and soon to be MJ will be FDA approved for weight loss. Which means that person has just as much right to that drug as a type 2. Why should a type2 get priority?? They allowed themselves to get to that condition and developed DM2.
this is my .02 as a diabetic who has used it for it's diabetic treatment. I don't judge people morally about it or feel I'm being pushed aside by slightly chubby housewives who want to cut the line
quote:
However you choose to source your medication I think you should let a physician advise and oversee you until you're highly confident you understand the drug and how best to use it to achiever your goals.
I know more about these meds than most. I’ve done my research and have learned a ton about them. I turn 40 next year and plan to be at my healthiest weight in decades and I give full credit to GLPs.
Anyways… back to peptides
This post was edited on 10/7/23 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 10/7/23 at 2:38 pm to Uncle JackD
Maybe I wasn't clear, but that's what I meant to say, I DON'T feel cheated or pushed aside by people seeking these kinds of treatments simply because they aren't diagnosed diabetics.
Obesity and diabetes are usually closely related so I definitely think obese people should have access to glp1 drugs, if an obese person isn't diabetic(yet), as I was for several years, and they can get out of obesity by using either peptides or glp1 agonists, then they should use it and I'm glad that these medications are being made available for that reason. It's no less important. Non-obese people who want to lose a few vanity pounds who are sucking up all the supply of drugs, if that's really happening(I'm not a physician or pharmacist so I don't know) is probably a temporary problem, and I'm still not upset by it.(Because I currently have no interest in using glp1s, maybe in the future, but for now it's all about building better eating habits) I would hope that if the demand goes up, the supply will follow right along.
ETA: I forgot to say, I was about the age you are at when my inability to correct my obesity finally caught up to me and I got diagnosed with the dm2. I hope you can steer yourself well clear of all of that. I have not had a bad time of it and I've managed it well and slowly improved, but I will forever wish I could have gotten my shite together quicker. There does seem to be something magical about 40 years old and people finally getting officially diagnosed as "this or that" because of longstanding issues that they failed to redirect.
Obesity and diabetes are usually closely related so I definitely think obese people should have access to glp1 drugs, if an obese person isn't diabetic(yet), as I was for several years, and they can get out of obesity by using either peptides or glp1 agonists, then they should use it and I'm glad that these medications are being made available for that reason. It's no less important. Non-obese people who want to lose a few vanity pounds who are sucking up all the supply of drugs, if that's really happening(I'm not a physician or pharmacist so I don't know) is probably a temporary problem, and I'm still not upset by it.(Because I currently have no interest in using glp1s, maybe in the future, but for now it's all about building better eating habits) I would hope that if the demand goes up, the supply will follow right along.
ETA: I forgot to say, I was about the age you are at when my inability to correct my obesity finally caught up to me and I got diagnosed with the dm2. I hope you can steer yourself well clear of all of that. I have not had a bad time of it and I've managed it well and slowly improved, but I will forever wish I could have gotten my shite together quicker. There does seem to be something magical about 40 years old and people finally getting officially diagnosed as "this or that" because of longstanding issues that they failed to redirect.
This post was edited on 10/7/23 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 10/7/23 at 3:27 pm to Uncle JackD
quote:
Keep that for the OT. My question was regarding peptides.
I’m don’t know what that means. I realize peptides are extremely popular right now. I also know that new and nasty side effects are being reported regularly. I was simply asking why you are interested. Sorry.
Posted on 10/7/23 at 3:40 pm to Irregardless
quote:Main stream media bullshite. The consequences of being obese outweigh ANY side effect GLPs may produce. And those side effects are very very rare.
also know that new and nasty side effects are being reported
You never heard a peep about these side effects when these drugs were used for type2…
This post was edited on 10/7/23 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 10/7/23 at 4:03 pm to Uncle JackD
Agreed, the media do love to go for that low hanging fruit and attempt to scare people with stomach paralysis, or whatever it is this week. I feel like every week presents a new version of this "BEWARE of Ozempic and other drugs like them, it's not all good," style of reporting on the topic. Last week it was pictures of Sharon Osborne(Ozzy's wife) and her opinion about how she lost too much weight on Ozempic. Like I care about what that creepy bitch thinks, she's getting old and looks like skeletor, and she can't buy her way out of it, boohoo, her opinion is irrelevant to most people's needs and experiences.
Anyway, I didn't mean to derail yer thread about peptides with my wordiness about my diabetes struggles, but after my trial run of Ozempic that I got from my pcp, he tried to order it, but my insurance at the time wouldn't cover it for reasons I won't get into here. So even though I'm not currently planning on using anything like a glp1, I am curious about the peptides as well because I think I know where to get them and I can afford that out of pocket, so I'd like to explore it as an option in the future if necessary. I probably have the same questions/concerns you do, that's why I chimed in. Where could I buy high quality peptides, how do I know they are what they say they are and are safe and effective, etc?
Anyway, back to peptides.
Anyway, I didn't mean to derail yer thread about peptides with my wordiness about my diabetes struggles, but after my trial run of Ozempic that I got from my pcp, he tried to order it, but my insurance at the time wouldn't cover it for reasons I won't get into here. So even though I'm not currently planning on using anything like a glp1, I am curious about the peptides as well because I think I know where to get them and I can afford that out of pocket, so I'd like to explore it as an option in the future if necessary. I probably have the same questions/concerns you do, that's why I chimed in. Where could I buy high quality peptides, how do I know they are what they say they are and are safe and effective, etc?
Anyway, back to peptides.
Posted on 10/7/23 at 9:15 pm to Uncle JackD
quote:
The consequences of being obese outweigh ANY side effect GLPs may produce.
That very well might be true. That’s why I asked the question. Is OP obese?
Posted on 10/8/23 at 6:16 pm to Irregardless
First off glp-1 do a ton of Greta things with very minimal sides
This board ks not as bad as the ot who is fricking retarded when it comes to these medicines.
Op- if you are willing to do the following, I will give you advice on this
1) are you willing to make lifestyle changes when it comes to diet and not just depend on the medicine to help you lose weight?
2) are you willing to take the minimum effective dose?
3) are you willing to walk 10k steps per day?
4) are you willing to learn the barbell movements and lift weights 3 days per week?
5) are you willing to eat 200g protein a day?
If you are willing to do the above I can write a long post tomorrow on the protocol I recommend. Glp-1 are great if you combine with life style changes. If you don’t, got roughly an 80% change on gaining the weight back.
Watch these videos by dr seeds and dr gillet
LINK
LINK
LINK
LINK
This board ks not as bad as the ot who is fricking retarded when it comes to these medicines.
Op- if you are willing to do the following, I will give you advice on this
1) are you willing to make lifestyle changes when it comes to diet and not just depend on the medicine to help you lose weight?
2) are you willing to take the minimum effective dose?
3) are you willing to walk 10k steps per day?
4) are you willing to learn the barbell movements and lift weights 3 days per week?
5) are you willing to eat 200g protein a day?
If you are willing to do the above I can write a long post tomorrow on the protocol I recommend. Glp-1 are great if you combine with life style changes. If you don’t, got roughly an 80% change on gaining the weight back.
Watch these videos by dr seeds and dr gillet
LINK
LINK
LINK
LINK
Posted on 10/8/23 at 6:38 pm to lsu777
quote:Already have. 93# down as of today. Diet has completely changed to high protein low carb & IF 12-6 (which had helped tremendously)
1) are you willing to make lifestyle changes when it comes to diet and not just depend on the medicine to help you lose weight?
quote:
3) are you willing to walk 10k steps per day?
quote:Been easing into lifting again. Been going 3x a week, trying for more but we’ve been stupid busy with newborn.
are you willing to learn the barbell movements and lift weights 3 days per week?
quote:Havent been tracking macros but I’m probably close to that amount.
are you willing to eat 200g protein a day?
I’m not new to these drugs at all, just looking for advice and thoughts on the peptide version of them. I ended up down a rabbit hole with the topic and it is very interesting to me … Plus a fraction of the price of compound pharmacies.
This post was edited on 10/8/23 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 10/8/23 at 7:30 pm to Irregardless
Ftr the so called nasty side effects are almost exclusive to those that jump to the higher doses almost immediately and do not participate in lifestyle changes. It’s estimated about 3-5% get severe sides and almost always, prolly 99%, it’s those that jump to high doses to lose the weight instead of making the needed changes and using the drug as a jump start.
Posted on 10/8/23 at 7:32 pm to Uncle JackD
I’ll post some stuff tomorrow including prolly best sources to get this from outside of pharmacy.
But you need to get consistent with weight training. Take a look at the Greyskull lp, and pick a template and start following it. Doesn’t have to be complicated. 3-4 exercises so 2 any max 3 plug ins.
But you need to get consistent with weight training. Take a look at the Greyskull lp, and pick a template and start following it. Doesn’t have to be complicated. 3-4 exercises so 2 any max 3 plug ins.
Posted on 10/8/23 at 7:40 pm to lsu777
Email me if easier to talk sources.
Unclejacktd @ gmail
Posted on 10/8/23 at 8:58 pm to Uncle JackD
The compound pharmacy in BR said they were getting it from a manufacturer in the states. One that is governed by whomever.
Studies to come out that it reduces MACE by 20%, as much as statins.
Studies to come out that it reduces MACE by 20%, as much as statins.
Posted on 10/9/23 at 11:37 am to Rust Cohle
so here is the protocol i recommend, you must lift 3 to 4 times a week with barbell lifts. if you havent done so before, must run an Linear progression, either greyskull lp or kinobody greek god program. You could also do ppsa grasshopper 2/3x and then move to other ppsa programs.
ok here is the protocol. it will be long and kind of all of the map. ill try and layout an easier format to follow later this week. But its pretty simple, we use lifestyle changes and use Minimum effective dose on the GLP-1s for as long as possible.
1) protein goes up to 3g per kg of bodyweight. We want it to be between 50-60% of our total calories. We are trying to just get in a 500 cal deficit, but if you are morbidly obese i literally dont care if you only eat 1000 cals so long as you meet protein requirements.
2) Lift progressively
3) walk 10k steps per day or 70k per week.
4) start with 2.5mg of mounjaro/tirzepatide. we are going to stay at this dose as long as possible. We will use the lifestyle changes to really push the weight loss, not the medicine. the medicine is just to control caloires easier.
5) Assuming hormonal bloodwork comes back good, we are going to use Dr William seeds peptide fat loss protocol.
-GHRP/GHRH in form of cjc-1295 no dac(mod gfr 1-29) & Ipamorelin dosed as followed
A) 100 mcg/100mcg starting at 2x per day, bedtime and morning. We are using the GHRP/GHRH combo for increased IGF production, increased fatloss especially visceral fat. But most importantly we are using this to increase our elasticity of our skin. as we are titrating up the dose of the mounjaro we will titrate up other things too.
6) we are going to take a something to handle cortisol. why? because ghrp/ghrh combos tend to raise cortisol and normally blood glucose....well the mounjaro takes care of the blood sugar. I suggest reduce xt from SNS at 2 caps in the morning, 1 cap before bed and 1 before mid day meal.
This is our base protocol. we will titrate up from there. Protein and lifting and walking all remains the same. You must get 200g protein at a minimum every single day, i dont care what else you eat or do, this must happen.
you must get 3 lifting sessions in per week and you must get 70k steps in. I dont care what else you do, if you do more, whatever....you start here and you do not go below these things.
How do we titrate up?
Moving the mounjaro up is last resort. we stay at minimum effective dose on this at all times. so how do we continue once we plateau
We add in the following protocol
1) we add in 2 doses of EC stack. We start at 100/12.5. This is to control appetite and increase metabolism. Studies show EC stack increases metabolism by about 8%
2) we add SNS glycophase at 4 caps per day to help control blood sugar even more while keeping the mounjaro dose low.
so we add the EC/glycophase stack after we are plateaued for a month. I consider a plateau on GLP-1 losing less than 2 lbs. we stay on the above until we plateau again. at that point we double the ec stack dose.
the above should take us out atleast 4-5 months at a 2.5mg dose of mounjaro. Not only does that save us money, it teaches us to control lifestyle to control weight.
next step is bump the mounjaro up to 5mg. we drop the ec stack at that point, keeping the glycophase.
again we run the mounjaro at this dose until we plateau. we milk this mother fricker as long as we can.
at 5mg we ride it, then when we plateau, we start the EC stack protocol over again. ride each wave as long as you can only raising as you plateau
we also add a 3rd ghrp/ghrh dose about 3 hours after first injection. We want to fast until 2 hours after 2nd dose or keep it at protein only, keep fat at a very minimal level.
ride it out...should take you to 6+ months out since starting, prolly out to 8 months.
then we move mounjaro up to 7.5mg and we drop the ec stack again.
at plateau we add ec stack back in. this time we can run this up to 3x doses of EC stack. Even running it up to where first dose is 400/50mg, 2nd dose at 300/37.5mg and last dose to 200/25. We can milk this for a long time. a long arse time.
on the gh peptides we add in bpc-157. Why would we do this? because we should be getting closer to goal BODY COMP & BPC will upregulate the number of gh receptors we have. so with up to 3 ghrp/ghrh doses per day we are needing these to help continue to allow the combo to be more effective. Also the BPC will help repair the skin and keep it elastic as possible keeping sagging skin to a minimum. BPC will be dosed at 300mcg post workout on days you lift, at night days you dont.
again we ride the wave as long as we can. this protocol should bring us out to over a year without having to get at the highest dose of mounjaro. prolly closer to 15 months if done right.
from there we titrate up to 10mg of mounjaro and we continue so type of titration. we take away the ec stack and then slowly add it back as needed at plateaus.
on the ghrp stack we can take the bedtime dose up to 2mg (2000mcg) of ipamorlin. this is called "Boom" dosing. This can get expensive though and you dont have to do this but it can help.
essentially we ride that out for as long as possible. at this point, you need to be able to understand how to count and manipulate macros as this should bring you out to 2 years. And honestly unless you are extremely morbidly obese like 100+ lbs to lose, this should get us to below 15% bodyfat on a dexa scan.
from there you need to start titrating back down on the mounjaro doses and drop the EC stack. you work your way back down the dosing schedule just as I laid out, but in reverse. we want to stay at each dosing for about 3 months on the way down to allow our bodies to adjust.
Protein must remain high and lifting must remain progressive. we should be trying to get to maintenance. We want to get to a maintenance dose of 2.5-5mg of mounjaro and hold our weight steady for around 6 months concentrating on strength/muscle building at the time.
ok i know this is all over the place and long as hell. i will try to put together a couple flow charts this week to show the stepping and how to progress to make it easier to understand.
as far as sources...if want to stay domestic...peptide science and amino asylum tend to have good reviews especially PS.
ok here is the protocol. it will be long and kind of all of the map. ill try and layout an easier format to follow later this week. But its pretty simple, we use lifestyle changes and use Minimum effective dose on the GLP-1s for as long as possible.
1) protein goes up to 3g per kg of bodyweight. We want it to be between 50-60% of our total calories. We are trying to just get in a 500 cal deficit, but if you are morbidly obese i literally dont care if you only eat 1000 cals so long as you meet protein requirements.
2) Lift progressively
3) walk 10k steps per day or 70k per week.
4) start with 2.5mg of mounjaro/tirzepatide. we are going to stay at this dose as long as possible. We will use the lifestyle changes to really push the weight loss, not the medicine. the medicine is just to control caloires easier.
5) Assuming hormonal bloodwork comes back good, we are going to use Dr William seeds peptide fat loss protocol.
-GHRP/GHRH in form of cjc-1295 no dac(mod gfr 1-29) & Ipamorelin dosed as followed
A) 100 mcg/100mcg starting at 2x per day, bedtime and morning. We are using the GHRP/GHRH combo for increased IGF production, increased fatloss especially visceral fat. But most importantly we are using this to increase our elasticity of our skin. as we are titrating up the dose of the mounjaro we will titrate up other things too.
6) we are going to take a something to handle cortisol. why? because ghrp/ghrh combos tend to raise cortisol and normally blood glucose....well the mounjaro takes care of the blood sugar. I suggest reduce xt from SNS at 2 caps in the morning, 1 cap before bed and 1 before mid day meal.
This is our base protocol. we will titrate up from there. Protein and lifting and walking all remains the same. You must get 200g protein at a minimum every single day, i dont care what else you eat or do, this must happen.
you must get 3 lifting sessions in per week and you must get 70k steps in. I dont care what else you do, if you do more, whatever....you start here and you do not go below these things.
How do we titrate up?
Moving the mounjaro up is last resort. we stay at minimum effective dose on this at all times. so how do we continue once we plateau
We add in the following protocol
1) we add in 2 doses of EC stack. We start at 100/12.5. This is to control appetite and increase metabolism. Studies show EC stack increases metabolism by about 8%
2) we add SNS glycophase at 4 caps per day to help control blood sugar even more while keeping the mounjaro dose low.
so we add the EC/glycophase stack after we are plateaued for a month. I consider a plateau on GLP-1 losing less than 2 lbs. we stay on the above until we plateau again. at that point we double the ec stack dose.
the above should take us out atleast 4-5 months at a 2.5mg dose of mounjaro. Not only does that save us money, it teaches us to control lifestyle to control weight.
next step is bump the mounjaro up to 5mg. we drop the ec stack at that point, keeping the glycophase.
again we run the mounjaro at this dose until we plateau. we milk this mother fricker as long as we can.
at 5mg we ride it, then when we plateau, we start the EC stack protocol over again. ride each wave as long as you can only raising as you plateau
we also add a 3rd ghrp/ghrh dose about 3 hours after first injection. We want to fast until 2 hours after 2nd dose or keep it at protein only, keep fat at a very minimal level.
ride it out...should take you to 6+ months out since starting, prolly out to 8 months.
then we move mounjaro up to 7.5mg and we drop the ec stack again.
at plateau we add ec stack back in. this time we can run this up to 3x doses of EC stack. Even running it up to where first dose is 400/50mg, 2nd dose at 300/37.5mg and last dose to 200/25. We can milk this for a long time. a long arse time.
on the gh peptides we add in bpc-157. Why would we do this? because we should be getting closer to goal BODY COMP & BPC will upregulate the number of gh receptors we have. so with up to 3 ghrp/ghrh doses per day we are needing these to help continue to allow the combo to be more effective. Also the BPC will help repair the skin and keep it elastic as possible keeping sagging skin to a minimum. BPC will be dosed at 300mcg post workout on days you lift, at night days you dont.
again we ride the wave as long as we can. this protocol should bring us out to over a year without having to get at the highest dose of mounjaro. prolly closer to 15 months if done right.
from there we titrate up to 10mg of mounjaro and we continue so type of titration. we take away the ec stack and then slowly add it back as needed at plateaus.
on the ghrp stack we can take the bedtime dose up to 2mg (2000mcg) of ipamorlin. this is called "Boom" dosing. This can get expensive though and you dont have to do this but it can help.
essentially we ride that out for as long as possible. at this point, you need to be able to understand how to count and manipulate macros as this should bring you out to 2 years. And honestly unless you are extremely morbidly obese like 100+ lbs to lose, this should get us to below 15% bodyfat on a dexa scan.
from there you need to start titrating back down on the mounjaro doses and drop the EC stack. you work your way back down the dosing schedule just as I laid out, but in reverse. we want to stay at each dosing for about 3 months on the way down to allow our bodies to adjust.
Protein must remain high and lifting must remain progressive. we should be trying to get to maintenance. We want to get to a maintenance dose of 2.5-5mg of mounjaro and hold our weight steady for around 6 months concentrating on strength/muscle building at the time.
ok i know this is all over the place and long as hell. i will try to put together a couple flow charts this week to show the stepping and how to progress to make it easier to understand.
as far as sources...if want to stay domestic...peptide science and amino asylum tend to have good reviews especially PS.
Posted on 10/9/23 at 12:35 pm to lsu777
Appreciate the detailed response. Where do you recommend getting most of these supplements from that would be cost effective?
Possibly a dumb question but what is EC stack?
Possibly a dumb question but what is EC stack?
This post was edited on 10/9/23 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 10/9/23 at 12:40 pm to Uncle JackD
serious nutrition has the caffeine, glucophase for insulin control and the reduce xt cortisol blocker.
remember goal isnt to stay on glp-1 for life, more as a tool to get where we want to go while getting life in order to maintain the new found success.
remember goal isnt to stay on glp-1 for life, more as a tool to get where we want to go while getting life in order to maintain the new found success.
Posted on 10/9/23 at 1:40 pm to Uncle JackD
quote:
Possibly a dumb question but what is EC stack?
Ephedrine / Caffeine
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