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Posted on 4/11/19 at 2:18 pm to fishfighter
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Basic electrical work one should learn themselves
What's your definition of basic?
Basic to me = change a light fixture, switch, or maybe a breaker.
Not basic = run new circuits, new service, or land wires in panel.
OP, that doesn't sound terrible for what you're wanting.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 2:23 pm to ducksnbass
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Basic to me = change a light fixture, switch, or maybe a breaker.
If you can do this, then you should be able to do this.
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run new circuits, new service, or land wires in panel.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 2:44 pm to fishfighter
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If you can do this, then you should be able to do this.
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run new circuits, new service, or land wires in panel.
The hell you should. Christ, there's a generation or two out there right now that can't even read a tire size and know what it means and you want them to run wires to an electrical panel?
Posted on 4/11/19 at 2:49 pm to baldona
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baldona
Commerical vehicle insurance
Liability insurance
An umbrella policy
Health insurance
Workman's Comp insurance
Those are the insurances I have to cover. Plus.
Paying for space
utilities
phones
Internet
Marketing (and my marketing budget is minute)
Material waste (there's always some)
Tools that wear out
Vehicle maintenance and taxes
Gasoline
The cost of carrying invoices that run over 30 days
Bad debt (every business has some)
That $180k gets eaten up in chunks even if it's a sole proprieter and they don't have some of the expenses listed (like workman's comp).
This post was edited on 4/11/19 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 4/11/19 at 3:21 pm to Phone
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Got an electrician who works for $15 an hour
He’s slow but does good work
I had to laugh at that. So, he charges less per hour but takes longer to do the work. Figured that out yet?
Posted on 4/11/19 at 3:28 pm to Boudreaux35
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Got an electrician who works for $15 an hour
He’s slow but does good work
I had to laugh at that. So, he charges less per hour but takes longer to do the work. Figured that out yet?
And you flush the toilet and the garbage disposal turns on.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 3:53 pm to CAD703X
$700 is very reasonable.
This post was edited on 4/11/19 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 4/11/19 at 5:02 pm to VABuckeye
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VABuckeye
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Martini
I don't know about the two of you but in our case
Add in the salaries of a full time estimator/project manager (me) and two secretaries.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 6:29 pm to VABuckeye
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The hell you should. Christ, there's a generation or two out there right now that can't even read a tire size and know what it means and you want them to run wires to an electrical panel?
Yep, maybe you are right. Young people never learn simple things or have someone to show/help them learn.
On a side note, I did pass on what I know to my kids as it was passed on to me.
And people want to know why single mom's or dad's family JUST DON'T WORK 75% of the time.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 8:00 pm to CAD703X
That price is very reasonable.
As for hourly rates, I charged $95/hr 20 years ago.
I charged $125 up until about 4 years ago.
I charge more now.
I usually take a bath on big jobs I have to bid first, unless there are lots of change orders. However, I’m willing to make less on some jobs just to keep the money flowing.
As for hourly rates, I charged $95/hr 20 years ago.
I charged $125 up until about 4 years ago.
I charge more now.
I usually take a bath on big jobs I have to bid first, unless there are lots of change orders. However, I’m willing to make less on some jobs just to keep the money flowing.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 8:51 pm to VABuckeye
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Commerical vehicle insurance
Liability insurance
An umbrella policy
Health insurance
Workman's Comp insurance
As I said earlier I run a business too and I’m well aware of these expenses. I also said the overhead for someone like an electrician is around $25,000. Which would be in line with your expenses above and operational expenses such as vehicle, material loss, etc.
Bad debt and office expenses aren’t really on the single employee. Some electricians run out of their house some work for large companies with a account payables employee and account receivables employee.
Again, I never said any of that was cheap. I’m simply saying, you can make a good living if you can bill $500-1000/ day 5 days a week. If you can’t, you are doing something wrong.
Again I said that OP’s quote was fair but he can likely do better. If the guy above is getting over $125/ hour that’s great for him. But there’s no reason OP can’t find someone for considerably cheaper it’s not a technically difficult job.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 9:25 pm to VABuckeye
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The hell you should. Christ, there's a generation or two out there right now that can't even read a tire size and know what it means and you want them to run wires to an electrical panel?
Maybe in your circle young folks are incapable but every one of my sons could have done this because they were taught how to do it.
The problem with so many young people today is shite parenting not the kids themselves, but that is a different thread.
OP, I never quibble about pricing on any job I am unwilling or unable to do myself.
This post was edited on 4/11/19 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 4/12/19 at 6:46 am to baldona
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As I said earlier I run a business too and I’m well aware of these expenses. I also said the overhead for someone like an electrician is around $25,000. Which would be in line with your expenses above and operational expenses such as vehicle, material loss, etc.
Bad debt and office expenses aren’t really on the single employee. Some electricians run out of their house some work for large companies with a account payables employee and account receivables employee.
Again, I never said any of that was cheap. I’m simply saying, you can make a good living if you can bill $500-1000/ day 5 days a week. If you can’t, you are doing something wrong.
Again I said that OP’s quote was fair but he can likely do better. If the guy above is getting over $125/ hour that’s great for him. But there’s no reason OP can’t find someone for considerably cheaper it’s not a technically difficult job.
Neither you nor I listed materials cost which, in a trade is generally a good portion of the quote. When we quote a project materials can be 35-50% of the project. Sure, there's profit in that but for an electrician the profit on materials is generally 18% max. For commercial electricians it's even less.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 6:49 am to cave canem
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Maybe in your circle young folks are incapable but every one of my sons could have done this because they were taught how to do it.
The problem with so many young people today is shite parenting not the kids themselves, but that is a different thread.
OP, I never quibble about pricing on any job I am unwilling or unable to do myself.
Swapping out breakers? Sure. Running lines to an electrical panel and hooking them up properly according to NEC? That's not a task the vast majority of Americans should be taking on.
Now for the but, but, but he's billing $XXX an hour crowd. If you think he's billing eight hours a day without working 12-14 hours a day you're full of it. You have to take into account travel time between jobs. Most one man residential electricians aren't going to one job in a day. They're making multiple stops. This is even more common if they're doing service calls.
This post was edited on 4/12/19 at 6:55 am
Posted on 4/12/19 at 6:56 am to baldona
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As I said earlier I run a business too and I’m well aware of these expenses
What type of business? Do you have guys out out in the field working on projects and doing service calls? If so apologies. If not then you're not making an apples to apples comparison with your business.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:45 am to fishfighter
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Basic to me = change a light fixture, switch, or maybe a breaker.
If you can do this, then you should be able to do this.
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run new circuits, new service, or land wires in panel.
If you've been around it before and done it several times yes, the latter could be considered basic, but for most homeowners it's not. And, electricity isn't something to be dabbled with if you don't know what you're doing.
I will also add that I agree that having a parent teach basic home maintenance (including electrical work) is definitely needed. Also, it is no secret that the trades are in high demand due to folks being convinced that they should go to college and get a degree in Gender Studies. Baws that know how to do this kind of stuff stand a chance of making a killing in the future as there won't be many that know how to do this work and do it correctly.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:48 am to ducksnbass
Bringing back shop class in high schools would be a nice start. Make it a requirement like PE and teach kids some basics and safety.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 9:11 am to VABuckeye
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Bringing back shop class in high schools would be a nice start. Make it a requirement like PE and teach kids some basics and safety.
Agreed. I remember when I was in school, our school district had a separate campus called the "career center". I believe it was for Juniors and Seniors in HS. They would attend their regular classes for 1/2 the day, then go to the career center for the second half of the day. At the career center they could learn electrical, plumbing, welding, carpentry, and auto repair. Unfortunately, the kids that did that were often made fun of and made to feel like they were inferior to regular students.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 9:17 am to ducksnbass
Our county had a technical school. The kids could take their regular curriculum and their vocational education classes in the same building. We never saw them again in school until graduation. They had two graduation ceremonies. One at each school and the one at the regular high school was optional for them.
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