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re: Morris Claiborne is an LSU Tiger
Posted on 11/13/08 at 8:15 am to Fighting Tigers
Posted on 11/13/08 at 8:15 am to Fighting Tigers
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Fighting Tigers
You just burned every single pessimistic, ignorant a-hole in this thread. Thank you.
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Posted on 11/13/08 at 8:20 am to Derby Tigah
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at 6'6, I'd bet he'll be an End for us... that sort of heighth in our interior doesn't exist and for very good reason
Yeah 6'6" or taller DT's are terrible.
Sincerely,
Albert Haynesworth and John Henderson
Posted on 11/13/08 at 8:36 am to Cash
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Yeah 6'6" or taller DT's are terrible.
Sincerely,
Albert Haynesworth and John Henderson
Cash,
You beat me to it. I was about to post them and their heights.
Posted on 11/13/08 at 11:22 am to PiscesTiger
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finally getting steered in the right direction by Bruce Daigle.
wow, I played for that guy in 8th grade ..no shite
Posted on 11/13/08 at 11:24 am to Cash
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Yeah 6'6" or taller DT's are terrible.
Sincerely,
Albert Haynesworth and John Henderson
kevin williams
Posted on 11/13/08 at 11:28 am to Cash
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Yeah 6'6" or taller DT's are terrible.
Sincerely,
Albert Haynesworth and John Henderson
A) never said terrible
B) said they haven't existed at LSU
Too hard to comprehend that?
I never said this dude sucks...frankly, he might be Claude Wroten Part 2... my point was that we don't need 2-yr. players in a position we recruit out of high school better than any team in America (D-Line)
Now, if we landed a JUCO linebacker I wouldn't scratch my head as much, especially seeing as we suck at that position most years and don't recruit it very well
Posted on 11/13/08 at 11:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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Yeah 6'6" or taller DT's are terrible.
Sincerely,
Albert Haynesworth and John Henderson
kevin williams
says the guy who admitted Barksdale was too big to play DT at LSU based on our defensive philosophies
Posted on 11/13/08 at 11:40 am to Rickety Cricket
I'm going to have to agree with everything Fighting Tigers has just said. I think there are some lessons from this whole MC saga for this board.
Lesson #1: We have no clue what LM and LSU have as far as rankings on their recruiting board. What the pay sites rank as 1,2,3,4,5 LSU may have as 1,5,7,8,9 on their board as who they feel would be for their style of play and program. So if they felt we had no chance with the Gabe Lynns and Dre Kirkpatricks, MC may have been the 4th or 5th ranked CB on their board.
Lesson #2: This guy supposedly tore it up last year in camp. We have no idea what goes on in the summer camps, and like Wiliford, MC may have performed well enough against the other top-tier talent at the summer camp that he got a very high ranking on LSU's board.
Lesson #3: In addition to being the male high school athlete of the year after his sophomore year in school (for the Shreveport area according to the local paper) he is a respectful high-integrity type kid according to his coach. As we have seen in the past, LM puts a high value on character (one of his big selling points to recruits' families). This may have put him above other CB recruits on the national radar.
Bottom-line: We may think we know who the next recruits are going to be but don't be surprised if kids like MC "off the national radar" are added to this and future classes.
Lesson #1: We have no clue what LM and LSU have as far as rankings on their recruiting board. What the pay sites rank as 1,2,3,4,5 LSU may have as 1,5,7,8,9 on their board as who they feel would be for their style of play and program. So if they felt we had no chance with the Gabe Lynns and Dre Kirkpatricks, MC may have been the 4th or 5th ranked CB on their board.
Lesson #2: This guy supposedly tore it up last year in camp. We have no idea what goes on in the summer camps, and like Wiliford, MC may have performed well enough against the other top-tier talent at the summer camp that he got a very high ranking on LSU's board.
Lesson #3: In addition to being the male high school athlete of the year after his sophomore year in school (for the Shreveport area according to the local paper) he is a respectful high-integrity type kid according to his coach. As we have seen in the past, LM puts a high value on character (one of his big selling points to recruits' families). This may have put him above other CB recruits on the national radar.
Bottom-line: We may think we know who the next recruits are going to be but don't be surprised if kids like MC "off the national radar" are added to this and future classes.
Posted on 11/13/08 at 12:24 pm to Sammich
Who the hell is Derby's father???
Posted on 11/13/08 at 12:29 pm to Miles Fan Now
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Who the hell is Derby's father???
Jesus
Posted on 11/13/08 at 12:36 pm to Derby Tigah
Derby Tigah
So they ARE right, you ARE a fricking a-hole!!! I was asking a question dumb arse; not making fun of your father. I still don't know who he is, nor do I care any longer. I'm gonna leave you lil girls get back to your bickering like a bunch of little bitches.
So they ARE right, you ARE a fricking a-hole!!! I was asking a question dumb arse; not making fun of your father. I still don't know who he is, nor do I care any longer. I'm gonna leave you lil girls get back to your bickering like a bunch of little bitches.
Posted on 11/13/08 at 12:51 pm to Miles Fan Now
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Who the hell is Derby's father???
Mel Kiper III
Posted on 11/13/08 at 12:53 pm to Methuselah
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I might not have been so far off with my guess about him being an asset in the locker room. Check out paragraphs 3 & 4
That's great news. I really think he's gonna be an asset to this program. Hopefully he is reading all of this debate and it just fuels his fire to keep working. Les seems to have a knack for finding good quality guys. I also think he's got a good eye for talent, I really do.
Welcome about mr. Claiborne.
Posted on 11/13/08 at 1:02 pm to Lester Earl
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Mel Kiper III
Posted on 11/13/08 at 1:29 pm to Derby Tigah
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my point was that we don't need 2-yr. players in a position we recruit out of high school better than any team in America (D-Line)
When you become a H.C. in the SEC, you can do your thing. Until then, stop pretending to know more about recruiting than our coaching staff.
You have been warned!
Posted on 11/13/08 at 1:53 pm to Bad Cat
Sorry to interject...work with a guy that is a coach in the Shreveport area(pee wee 12-13 I think) and said he coached MC in his younger days and that we've got a real special kid and that he's a real burner...couldn't be happier!
Posted on 11/13/08 at 1:55 pm to Fighting Tigers
I enjoyed your post. Rational and informative. Here is my rebuttal:
Conversely, for all you know, scouts have seen his film and simply haven't been impressed. Unless you can dispositively demonstrate that he hasn't been evaluated by a scout or a recruiting service, your argument is based entirely on unfounded surmise. (Inferential arguments based on the size of his school and internet hearsay don't prove (to me, at least) that he hasn't been assessed.) You would admit that it is, in fact, possible that he has been evaluated by a scout?
Your account of Trindon's recruitment is incomplete. His situation was complicated by two factors that you neglect to mention: (1) Trindon's extraordinarily diminutive size; and (2) the fact that he was projected to be a track phenom. A three star rating for a very small 5'5" specialty player who most scouts thought was going to dedicate himself to a track career is hardly inaccurate. IMO, it's certainly not indicative of systemic failing on the part of the recruiting services.
When I made reference to "the best players in the state," it was fairly clear in context that I was referring to four and five stars, i.e. the top 15 or so players in Louisiana. No one ranks Claiborne that high. But I'll happily grant you that being in the Top 40 is better than not. However, I'm not convinced that mere membership in the Louisiana Top 40 is sufficient to warrant a scholarship from LSU, given the current stature of our program and the caliber of player we should be recruiting.
Finally, as I explicitly admitted in the first post you quote, it is possible that Claiborne is a fantastic player who slipped through the cracks. But history indicates it's unlikely. Generally, the very best players have four and five star rankings. The mere fact that there are exceptions to the general rule, exceptions like Hester and (in your estimation) Holiday, doesn't vitiate the general rule.
In any event, I am not satisfied to simply "trust the coaches." That argument isn't particularly persuasive to me because it could have been applied with equal force at various points in time to Stovall, Archer, Hallman, and DiNardo. And sadly, there were people making that argument on behalf of those dimwits.
The recruiting rankings essentially represent the consensus of scouts and coaches from BCS conferences. It's a critical, objective gauge against which you can measure the performance of your own program.
Finally, let me say that the rest of the class looks good and I am not going to denounce it so long as we finish out strong and get Loston, Mingo, Randle, etc. I don't mind taking a risk on a local kid if the remainder of the class consists of monsters.
And it goes without saying that I'll root for Claiborne with no reservations once he gets on campus.
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Sure, if Claiborne has gone to Nike Camp and Rival camps, etc and the scouts there weren't impressed, then sure, that'd be something. Or if Claiborne has some film out there for people to evaluate, that would be something as well. But for all you know, no talent scout has ever gone to see Claiborne play.
Conversely, for all you know, scouts have seen his film and simply haven't been impressed. Unless you can dispositively demonstrate that he hasn't been evaluated by a scout or a recruiting service, your argument is based entirely on unfounded surmise. (Inferential arguments based on the size of his school and internet hearsay don't prove (to me, at least) that he hasn't been assessed.) You would admit that it is, in fact, possible that he has been evaluated by a scout?
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The point is that you'd think someone that was as impressive as Holliday was in high school would be noticed by the scouts that you claim "have been exhaustively assessing this class of Louisiana football palyers since they were freshman (if not before that)." And you'd think that someone that was as impressive as Holliday was in high school would be recruited by other major programs besides LSU, but he wasn't.
Your account of Trindon's recruitment is incomplete. His situation was complicated by two factors that you neglect to mention: (1) Trindon's extraordinarily diminutive size; and (2) the fact that he was projected to be a track phenom. A three star rating for a very small 5'5" specialty player who most scouts thought was going to dedicate himself to a track career is hardly inaccurate. IMO, it's certainly not indicative of systemic failing on the part of the recruiting services.
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Also, you claim that "None of the scouts or recruiting services believe that Clairborne is one of the best players in the state" -- yet both the Advocate and Dandy Don have him listed as a top 40 recruit out of the thousands of high school seniors on Louisiana football teams, and both Sonny and Mike are impressed with him.
When I made reference to "the best players in the state," it was fairly clear in context that I was referring to four and five stars, i.e. the top 15 or so players in Louisiana. No one ranks Claiborne that high. But I'll happily grant you that being in the Top 40 is better than not. However, I'm not convinced that mere membership in the Louisiana Top 40 is sufficient to warrant a scholarship from LSU, given the current stature of our program and the caliber of player we should be recruiting.
Finally, as I explicitly admitted in the first post you quote, it is possible that Claiborne is a fantastic player who slipped through the cracks. But history indicates it's unlikely. Generally, the very best players have four and five star rankings. The mere fact that there are exceptions to the general rule, exceptions like Hester and (in your estimation) Holiday, doesn't vitiate the general rule.
In any event, I am not satisfied to simply "trust the coaches." That argument isn't particularly persuasive to me because it could have been applied with equal force at various points in time to Stovall, Archer, Hallman, and DiNardo. And sadly, there were people making that argument on behalf of those dimwits.
The recruiting rankings essentially represent the consensus of scouts and coaches from BCS conferences. It's a critical, objective gauge against which you can measure the performance of your own program.
Finally, let me say that the rest of the class looks good and I am not going to denounce it so long as we finish out strong and get Loston, Mingo, Randle, etc. I don't mind taking a risk on a local kid if the remainder of the class consists of monsters.
And it goes without saying that I'll root for Claiborne with no reservations once he gets on campus.
This post was edited on 11/13/08 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 11/13/08 at 2:17 pm to The312
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Your account of Trindon's recruitment is incomplete. His situation was complicated by two factors that you neglect to mention: (1) Trindon's extraordinarily diminutive size; and (2) the fact that he was projected to be a track phenom. A three star rating for a very small 5'5" specialty player who most scouts thought was going to dedicate himself to a track career is hardly inaccurate. IMO, it's certainly not indicative of systemic failing on the part of the recruiting services.
When I made reference to "the best players in the state," it was fairly clear in context that I was referring to four and five stars, i.e. the top 15 or so players in Louisiana. No one ranks Claiborne that high. But I'll happily grant you that being in the Top 40 is better than not. However, I'm not convinced that mere membership in the Louisiana Top 40 is sufficient to warrant a scholarship from LSU, given the current stature of our program and the caliber of player we should be recruiting.
Finally, as I explicitly admitted in the first post you quote, it is possible that Claiborne is a fantastic player who slipped through the cracks. But history indicates it's unlikely. Generally, the very best players have four and five star rankings. The mere fact that there are exceptions to the general rule, exceptions like Hester and (in your estimation) Holiday, doesn't vitiate the general rule.
In any event, I am not satisfied to simply "trust the coaches." That argument isn't particularly persuasive to me because it could have been apllied with equal force at various points in time to Stovall, Archer, Hallman, and DiNardo. And sadly, there were people making that argument on behalf of those dimwits.
The recruiting rankings essentially represent the consensus of scouts and coaches from BCS conferences. It's a critical, objective gauge against which you can measure the performance of your own program.
Finally, let me say that the rest of the class looks good and I am not going to denounce it so long as we finish out strong and get Loston, Mingo, Randle, etc. I don't mind taking a risk on a local kid if the remainder of the class consists of monsters.
And it goes without saying that I'll root for Claiborne with no reservations once he gets on campus.
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Posted on 11/13/08 at 2:39 pm to Sammich
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GENERAL BOARD GUIDELINES
Baseless criticism of LSU athletes, coaches, or administrators is not allowed. You can critique a player's or coach's performance, but general criticism will not be tolerated.
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Irrelevant FAIL.
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