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re: To those of you criticizing Miles and His Word
Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:59 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
Posted on 2/5/09 at 2:59 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
quote:Except for the stuff that happened "before that" that makes it bad for Miles, right? Like extending an offer (that happened "before that"), and reaffirming the committment (that also happened "before that")? You should more clearly specify which portions of prior history count and which ones do not.
What happened before that is completely inconsequential.
And even then we are nowhere, because we have no idea what all was involved with that prior history, and what went on in the final hours between Benton making a committment to LSU and Benton signing with Auburn.
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 3:06 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
quote:And why do you believe it was pulled?
But it still doesn't justify pulling his offer the night before NSD when he had just reaffirmed his commitment.
quote:He waivered when he visited Auburn. We have no idea how much he may have wavered Tuesday night or Wednesday morning. All we know is that he committed to LSU, he signed with Auburn, and he claims to have spoken with LSU Tuesday night in a conversation where both sides reiterated their commitments. Chizik, Benton, his family, or anyone else could have done anything in the hours between; we have no idea.
He never waivered in his commitment
Posted on 2/5/09 at 3:09 pm to King Joey
quote:
And why do you believe it was pulled?
Because Les said Benton didn't have a schollie Wednesday morning.
He said he had to make a "hard, fast decision".
What is wrong with you?
quote:
He waivered when he visited Auburn
And he visited LSU this past weekend and everything was apparently cool until Tuesday.
quote:
All we know is that he committed to LSU, he signed with Auburn, and he claims to have spoken with LSU Tuesday night in a conversation where both sides reiterated their commitments.
What we know now is Miles pulled his offer.
Posted on 2/5/09 at 3:12 pm to bayou2003
U HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD
Posted on 2/5/09 at 3:12 pm to Towelie
quote:If they weren't a problem two years ago, he'd be returning as a Junior WR on our team right now.
His academic struggles weren't a problem two years ago
quote:According to whom?
His academic struggles only became an issue when his scholly was yanked.
Do you remember Chad Lavalais? He signed with LSU three times, and did lots of work to try and get eligible each time. And each time he fell short, the LSU staff (first DiNardo's, then Saban's) gave him work to do to try and prepare for the next year. Everything the coaches ever said about him made it clear that he did all the work they asked of him. Did Benton? Did Benton get tired of the hoops LSU was asking him to jump through? Did Auburn call him Wednesday and let him know they wouldn't ask so much of him? Did they call him and make an extra strong plea after losing their own WR commitment? We don't know. So in the absence of knowing, y'all assume that Benton and Auburn suddenly stopped participating in the recruiting process of a 5* recruit, until Reuben Randle suddenly realized that Benton -- his former teammate, who had been signed with LSU for two years -- was actually signed with LSU and decided to drop an ultimatum out of the blue on Les Miles; and that Les Miles dutifully yanked the scholly from Benton accordingly.
Posted on 2/5/09 at 3:13 pm to King Joey
quote:
And even then we are nowhere, because we have no idea what all was involved with that prior history, and what went on in the final hours between Benton making a committment to LSU and Benton signing with Auburn.
Are you really that dense?
Fact: Benton had an offer from LSU and visited AU 2 weeks ago.
Fact: Only about 80% of the kids who signed with any school are 100% cleared by the clearinghouse (thus in the same situation as Benton)
Fact: Benton reaffirmed his commitment to LSU Tues night.
Fact: On NSD, Benton did not have an offer from LSU.
Fact: RR's father expressed "concern" over LSU's WR roster. What resulted from that is speculation.
Fact: Today, DB & his coach are very upset about LSU pulling his offer.
Can we please make this the last time this needs to be explained to you?
2 questions:
If LSU pulled DB's offer b/c he visited AU, why did they wait 2 weeks, until the night before NSD to do it...to be assholes?
If LSU pulled DB's offer b/c of grades, why in the frick did they keep the offer on the table the entire recruiting process, until the night before NSD?
Posted on 2/5/09 at 3:16 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
quote:
Fact: Only about 80% of the kids who signed with any school are 100% cleared by the clearinghouse (thus in the same situation as Benton)
WRONG: He's a kid who not only hasn't been cleared but has been going through this for two years, which paints a pretty clear picture that it is and will continue to be a problem, and not at all like those other kids.
This post was edited on 2/5/09 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 2/5/09 at 3:21 pm to Mike da Tigah
quote:
WRONG: He's a kid who not only hasn't been cleared but has been going through this for two years, which paints a pretty clear picture that it is and will continue to be a problem, and not at all like those other kids.
Then I pose this question to you also.....
If LSU pulled DB's offer b/c of grades, why in the frick did they keep the offer on the table the entire recruiting process, until the night before NSD?
Posted on 2/5/09 at 3:27 pm to BobBoucher
quote:
its time to be sabanesque.... dont pick and choose your recruits... just recruit everything in sight, then when you lose a few like this, youre still stacked.
becuase we didnt, we only have 1 WR, and how many CBs in this class?
Claiborne is recruited primarily as a wr; Calhoun primarily as a corner FWIW.
I'd say recruiting personnel who can play multiple positions is quite Sabanesque.
Posted on 2/5/09 at 3:27 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
quote:
Then I pose this question to you also.....
If LSU pulled DB's offer b/c of grades, why in the frick did they keep the offer on the table the entire recruiting process, until the night before NSD?
You should have stopped at IF because that's the common denominator around most of these things. We don't know much of anything really. In any case, I didn't say it was pulled b/c of grades, but if I were coach Miles and was looking at a one or the other kind of choice between a guy who has been struggling with academics for two years that I have had a scholarship open for him and the #2 prospect in the country I really am sorry but I would go with the #2 prospect every single time. Are you saying you would go with the academic struggler, who still hasn't gotten cleared after two years of this on the prospect that he MIGHT qualify?
Posted on 2/5/09 at 3:28 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
I think what people are getting at and perhaps chasing their tail on is that had Randle not allegedly had an issue with playing at LSU with Benton, that Benton would have most likely still had an offer with LSU on Wednesday. Whether or not he would have signed with LSU is another story, because apparently dmitch feels/knows there is more to the story.
And perhaps Miles got forced in between a rock and a hard place. And the best scenario was to yank Benton's offer to ensure he'd have 1 Bastrop WR at LSU this summer/fall.
And perhaps Miles got forced in between a rock and a hard place. And the best scenario was to yank Benton's offer to ensure he'd have 1 Bastrop WR at LSU this summer/fall.
Posted on 2/5/09 at 3:28 pm to Monk
quote:
Poor Benton screwed himself when he made the mistake of talking trash and bragging that Miles told him we had penciled him in at #2 WR behind Lafell when obviously we hadn't.
If he had't said this and convinced RR's Dad that LSU was playing RR, Benton and Randle would both be at LSU right now.
Benton was just trying to do a little harmless bragging/exagerating and it bit him in the butt.
BINGO!!!
That was the beginning of this whole soap opera. When it became apparent that Papa Randle was getting nervous about playing time, he made those statements to the media about 'not enough playing time'. What the public doesn't know(and if anyone can fill in the blank with facts...) is that evidently LSU and the Randle family and probably the Benton family talked about the situation together or separately and decisions were made.
Facts
1)Benton's scholarship was pulled.
2)Randle's scholarship offer was still very much on the table.
3)Benton signed with Auburn.
4)Randle signed with LSU.
Posted on 2/5/09 at 3:31 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
quote:There could be many reasons. Do you know? Maybe Miles had told him he wasn't going to tie up a scholarship again for a guy who couldn't get cleared two years after he originally signed. Maybe signing day was a deadline, and Benton thought (until Wednesday morning) that he would make it. Maybe Miles had been uncertain and had growing reservations all along and going into signing day the scales just tipped. We don't know.
If LSU pulled DB's offer b/c of grades, why in the frick did they keep the offer on the table the entire recruiting process, until the night before NSD?
But the point I have been making is that, even if he did pull the offer (which does appear to be the case -- I had not seen those articles and quotes yet), it is simply not the same situation as Janzen's, which is what 4444 claimed.
There is a lot of speculation and assumption, all of it taken for the bent of seeing Miles as an a-hole in the situation. There are plenty of other possibilities which are refused out of hand. If you read, the same source for the quotes of Miles saying he pulled the offer also contain quotes of Miles specifically stating that pulling it had nothing to do with Randle.
quote:Are you seriously suggesting that 20% of the kids who signed on Wednesday have been out of school for two years without ever having become eligible?
Fact: Only about 80% of the kids who signed with any school are 100% cleared by the clearinghouse (thus in the same situation as Benton)
Posted on 2/5/09 at 3:33 pm to Rocket
quote:Not confused, just hadn't seen the quotes. Not sure why I missed them on Wednesday, but haven't been reading the news today yet.
Joey, what are you confused about?
But as I said all along, even if the offer was pulled by Miles, it still isn't the same as the Jackson situation. So to insist that one cannot be critical of one unless critical of the other is just irrational.
Posted on 2/5/09 at 3:33 pm to Mike da Tigah
The bad part is that the offer was pulled the night before NSD.
I'm just curious, but in your opinion, what are the possible reasons Miles pulled the offer?
Here are mine:
1) grades
2) visit to AU (DB waivering)
3) RR's family pressuring Miles
Any of those reasons is pretty unacceptable IMO.
Please help me if I've missed anything.
I'm just curious, but in your opinion, what are the possible reasons Miles pulled the offer?
Here are mine:
1) grades
2) visit to AU (DB waivering)
3) RR's family pressuring Miles
Any of those reasons is pretty unacceptable IMO.
Please help me if I've missed anything.
Posted on 2/5/09 at 3:34 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
quote:Good advice. Did some reading. Got a little clearer picture now. Thanks.
I'd advise you to go do some major reading of numerous articles/blogs over the past 2 days and then come back.
Posted on 2/5/09 at 3:35 pm to King Joey
quote:
If you read, the same source for the quotes of Miles saying he pulled the offer also contain quotes of Miles specifically stating that pulling it had nothing to do with Randle
If you actually believe that and that is the case, that is the mother of all coincidences.
Posted on 2/5/09 at 3:39 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
Maybe Monk is on to something and perhaps Benton told Randle and his dad some misinformation and it pissed him off.
The whole thing is weird considering Bradshaw insists Benton wanted to go to LSU and Randle was concerned with Benton signing
The whole thing is weird considering Bradshaw insists Benton wanted to go to LSU and Randle was concerned with Benton signing
Posted on 2/5/09 at 3:39 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
quote:
I'm just curious, but in your opinion, what are the possible reasons Miles pulled the offer?
Here are mine:
1) grades
2) visit to AU (DB waivering)
3) RR's family pressuring Miles
Any of those reasons is pretty unacceptable IMO.
Please help me if I've missed anything.
Perhaps it was all, and perhaps it was none. The fact is it doesn't matter. You still had to make a one or the other decision. Would you have put your eggs in one basket especially when that basket has failed to produce for two years now, and let Alabama get the state's best recruit and #2 national recruit overall?
Let me pass this by you Valentine. How exactly do you think the LSU fan base would have reacted if LSU went with Benton and allowed our most prized recruit to play for Nick Saban and the Alabama Crimson Tide, meanwhile Benton failed to make get cleared or bombed out academically in school leaving us with NO WR from this class while RR was in T-Town tearing it up making us all look like utter FOOLS? Care to take a stab at how that would go over with LSU Fans and recruits that now saw us as idiots?
Posted on 2/5/09 at 3:40 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
As much as I hate to get involved in this thread, I think the reason for pulling the offer is pretty clear:
1) grades
2) visit to AU (DB waivering)
3) RR's family pressuring Miles
4) ALL OF THE ABOVE
If Randle pressured Miles concerning Benton and Benton hadn't been playing footsie with Auburn, Miles would have been less likely to pull the schollie. Benton gave Miles the opening.
Also, Benton is NFL eligible after this year. If the decision is between 3-4 years of one recruit and 1-2 of another recruit, especially one that has had problems ever becoming elibile, I take the one who will definitely be with the program longer. It cuts down on risk.
If I'm Benton, I'd be pissed. I think he has every right to be pissed. That said, he's failed to qualify twice already and he had a pretty soft landing, ending up at a powerhouse SEC school. Recruiting is a dirty business and sometimes you have to make ugly choices. this is one of those times. I don't think Miles is proud of this choice, but I think it was the right one for the program.
It came down to Benton or Randle. Benton's already blown two chances. you have to take Randle under that scenario.
1) grades
2) visit to AU (DB waivering)
3) RR's family pressuring Miles
4) ALL OF THE ABOVE
If Randle pressured Miles concerning Benton and Benton hadn't been playing footsie with Auburn, Miles would have been less likely to pull the schollie. Benton gave Miles the opening.
Also, Benton is NFL eligible after this year. If the decision is between 3-4 years of one recruit and 1-2 of another recruit, especially one that has had problems ever becoming elibile, I take the one who will definitely be with the program longer. It cuts down on risk.
If I'm Benton, I'd be pissed. I think he has every right to be pissed. That said, he's failed to qualify twice already and he had a pretty soft landing, ending up at a powerhouse SEC school. Recruiting is a dirty business and sometimes you have to make ugly choices. this is one of those times. I don't think Miles is proud of this choice, but I think it was the right one for the program.
It came down to Benton or Randle. Benton's already blown two chances. you have to take Randle under that scenario.
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