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Posted on 11/30/14 at 8:03 pm to nf
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They had a great passing attack coupled with a mediocre rushing attack
What? Jeremy hill set the sec season record for ypc, had the second best rushing season in LSU history, and has the second best yards per game season in lsu history.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 8:03 pm to BeeFense5
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Did you limit the stats to conference games for all the teams you are comparing LSU to also?
Of course. Cfbstats.com let's you view stats limited to just conference play. By most useful metrics we were probably fourth or fifth in the conference when you remove OOC play (i.e. Cupcakes).
Posted on 11/30/14 at 8:04 pm to nf
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Of course. Cfbstats.com let's you view stats limited to just conference play. By most useful metrics we were probably fourth or fifth in the conference when you remove OOC play (i.e. Cupcakes).
Thanks.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 8:05 pm to inadaze
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It is more the former than the latter.
Wow. Yeah lsu has had a long line of elite coaches. If lsu recruits itself, why did Saban lose at least 3 games a year , except once?
Posted on 11/30/14 at 8:10 pm to JaxTiger10
We recruited well under all of the last 3 coaches over a span of almost 20 years.
I'd say its much easier to recruit at LSU than other places.
I'd say its much easier to recruit at LSU than other places.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 8:10 pm to JaxTiger10
I should have said -- it is much more the former than the latter.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 8:11 pm to SammyTiger
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thats dumb, top notch talent doesn't equal results. results are talent + coaching + experience. you can put 11 5 star freshmen on the field and have a shitty defense. even with a good coach.
I've never seen 11 5 star freshmen on a defense, so well never know, but it was the same way when he was at UT. When he had absolute top talent, they were good. Otherwise, they sucked. It's not a revolutionary system. That's why his head coaching prospects have always been nil. He's solid, but last year's defense should have been a bit better, especially considering that the offense did a lot to help them out. They weren't exactly talentless.
10% is probably not fair, but they loaded up with a lot of younger guys to fill the gap, while retaining some of their experienced guys. If recruiting were to go south by any significant measure, it would be ugly.
And winningest coach is padded with a lot of talent as well, and cupcakes, and the bar wasn't that high to begin with. Saban and Arnsparger weren't here long enough, and Cholly Mac was a fricking idiot. And lest we forget, the are his stats against the SEC and top 5, 10, and 25 teams since 2007.
But, if he's such a genius, why don't you tell me why other teams NEVER come calling to poach him, not one nfl team, not one other major college program. No, Michigan did not want him, and Arkansas was basically a lie concocted to get a bigger contract. Where are they? He's an elite genius, right? Teams of all description should be banging down is door, right? Saban sure had many suitors, as we all know. Do you even have an answer for that, let alone a lame one?
Posted on 11/30/14 at 8:14 pm to JaxTiger10
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What? Jeremy hill set the sec season record for ypc, had the second best rushing season in LSU history, and has the second best yards per game season in lsu history.
Over his career maybe. Magee had a higher YPC than Hill last year. And a handful of other SEC RBs did as well. And Hill was very good individually, but we were still 28th nationally in YPA and 8th in the SEC when limited to conference play. Additionally, in conference play we had 50% more passing first downs than rushing. We had a lot of trouble getting yardage on the ground last year, hence the inflated 3rd down conversion stats.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 8:17 pm to nf
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When limited to just conference play they were:
4th in yards per play
6th in points per game
9th in red zone conversion percentage
8th in rush yards per play
They were a good offense. But they weren't record breaking and they weren't even the best in the SEC by efficiency, in a year where they had the most offensive talent in the conference.
They had a great passing attack coupled with a mediocre rushing attack and the ability to convert a lot of third and longs.
Exactly. It's not complicated. LSU had maybe the most talented offense in the country but was not even close to having the best offense. And amassing such talent is difficult and not in LSUs foreseeable future, so I don't have much hope that things will drastically improve.
That's really all anyone is saying. 2013 was so talented that it would've been hard NOT to be good.
And yes we all know the defense lost the UGA game, although the offense still floundered against Bama.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 8:37 pm to biglego
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It's not complicated. LSU had maybe the most talented offense in the country but was not even close to having the best offenses
So being 12th in the country in yards per play, isnt close to being the best offense?
Posted on 11/30/14 at 8:41 pm to JaxTiger10
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So being 12th in the country in yards per play, isnt close to being the best offense?
Fifth in the SEC, with three west teams ahead of us. You've got a funny definition of best. Take out all of the cupcake games and you get a better picture.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 8:43 pm to nf
[quote]Over his career maybe. Magee had a higher YPC than Hill last year. And a handful of other SEC RBs did as well./quote]
There is minimum (200)on carries since your ypc usually goes down with an increase in carries. Jeremy hill owns the sec ypc record.
There is minimum (200)on carries since your ypc usually goes down with an increase in carries. Jeremy hill owns the sec ypc record.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 8:48 pm to JaxTiger10
Do you drive your car looking through the rear view mirror?
Posted on 11/30/14 at 8:52 pm to JaxTiger10
What are those stats compared to 2014 and can you put them side by side?
Posted on 11/30/14 at 8:57 pm to nf
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Fifth in the SEC, with three west teams ahead of us. You've got a funny definition of best. Take out all of the cupcake games and you get a better picture.
12th in the country is great. Its also far better than what poster on here are calling it. You act like being behind a record setting A&M offense and a very talented and experienced bama offense is horrible. Also bama's east opponents were Kentucky and tenn(4-12) while lsu played UGA and UF (8-8). Bama played Ole miss and lsu at home while lsu went to UGA,ole miss and bama.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 8:58 pm to LagdonCG
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do you drive your car looking through the rear view mirror?
Did you read the op?this thread was started because so many posters were saying our 2013 offense wasnt really that good.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 9:00 pm to UL-SabanRival
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He's solid, but last year's defense should have been a bit better, especially considering that the offense did a lot to help them out. They weren't exactly talentless.
It isn't a matter of JUST talent. most kids don't come out of high school ready to compete against College players. Just physically are no where near developed at 18 as you are at 22. The exceptions are few and far between.
There is a reason you have to play 3 years in college.
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And winningest coach is padded with a lot of talent as well, and cupcakes, and the bar wasn't that high to begin with. Saban and Arnsparger weren't here long enough, and Cholly Mac was a fricking idiot. And lest we forget, the are his stats against the SEC and top 5, 10, and 25 teams since 2007.
Compared to a lot of coaches they are still pretty good even after 2007.
38-20 in the SEC, and he has beaten a ton of ranked teams.
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But, if he's such a genius, why don't you tell me why other teams NEVER come calling to poach him, not one nfl team, not one other major college program.
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But, if he's such a genius, why don't you tell me why other teams NEVER come calling to poach him, not one nfl team, not one other major college program. No, Michigan did not want him, and Arkansas was basically a lie concocted to get a bigger contract. Where are they? He's an elite genius, right? Teams of all description should be banging down is door, right? Saban sure had many suitors, as we all know. Do you even have an answer for that, let alone a lame one?
He isn't an NFL guy, and LSU is a destination job if you aren't going to the NFL. Michigan wanted him in 2007. You are stupid if you think a Rich Rodriguez was their first choice. Besides that Championship coaches don't get poached. Nick Sabans name comes up because he is the best coach in college football. Other than that you don't really hear coaches at elite programs getting contacts about going elsewhere.
No one really offers Bob Stoops, no one used to offer Jim Tressell. It just doesn't happen.
once you get to an elite program you either go to the NFL, get fired, or retire.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 9:01 pm to nf
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Fifth in the SEC, with three west teams ahead of us.
Wrong.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 9:05 pm to JaxTiger10
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There is minimum (200)on carries since your ypc usually goes down with an increase in carries. Jeremy hill owns the sec ypc record.
So he set a record for a rate stat as long as you apply an arbitrary qualifier (which he just barely meets, at 203 carries)? We're meant to believe that he's better than Bo Jackson who had 7.7 on 158 carries? Or Felix Jones who had 7.6 on 154 carries?
Only a few SEC RBs last year had more than 200 carries, so it's a pretty arbitrary line to draw. And, again, Hill was very good, but the rushing offense as a whole was middle of the pack.
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