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re: 3rd and Chavis?
Posted on 12/12/09 at 8:42 am to seawolf06
Posted on 12/12/09 at 8:42 am to seawolf06
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Obviously the run defense needs to improve greatly.
we wore out in the 2nd halves of games. I've talked to players on D and they think that they practice too long (compared to other colleges-->like GT and LSU under Saban). They think that is the reason they do so well in bowl games, they are fresh.
LSU is 4th in the SEC in run D this year, giving up 3.5 ypc and 134.2 per game
Chavis (UT):
2008
3rd in SEC (behind Ole Miss and Bama)
2.8 ypc, 103.1 ypg and 3rd in 1st downs aloud on the ground
2007
UT was 9th in SEC in yards allowed-->2113 yards with 162.5 per game (4.2 ypc)
they had a terrible D that year
2006
8th in SEC in Rushing Yards Allowed (1,724)
143.7 ypg and
2005
Tenn. was 1st in the SEC in Running Yards Allowed (907)with 2.5 ypc against them and 82.5 per game
#2 run D in the country behind Ohio State (2.4 ypc)
-->finished 12th in total D
2004
UT was 5th in the SEC against the run (3.4 ypc) and 123.6 YPG
Passing Stats:
2008
2nd in the SEC against the pass, 160.4 per game with 17 ints (3rd in conference.
Sacks: Last in the SEC with 12 (Florida had 31)
2007
Last in Passing YPG-->3,186 (lots of injuries i believe)
245.1 ypg
Last in TD's allowed with 24.
7th in INT's with 16
Sacks: 5th with 27
2006
Passing YPG--> 6th 179.5 ypg (2,154 total)
INT-->4th in SEC with 16
Sacks--> 9th with 16
1st downs-->5th with 93 (LSU gave up 80 through the air)
2005
YPG-->10th, 215.7 YPG (2,373 total)
INT-->9
Sacks-->#4 with 32 (LSU led SEC with 39)
1st downs--> #10 with 104
2004
YPG-->12th, 236 ypg (2,832)
INT-->4th with 16
1st Downs--> Last, 123
Sacks-->35
2003
YPG-->2nd, 181.1 YPG (2,213 yards)
INT's-->5th, 15
1st Downs--> 6, 106
Sacks--> 7 with 30 (LSU led with 50, next closest was Auburn with 38)
Total D
2008
YPG: 263.5 YPG, 2nd
PPG: 16.8 PPG, 3rd
2007
YPG: 407.6, #11
PPG: 28.1, #10
2006
YPG: 323.2, #9
PPG: 19.5,#8
2005
YPG: 298.2, #6
PPG: 18.6, #6
2004
YPG: 359.6, #7
PPG: 24.0, #7
2003
YPG: 17.7, #4
PPG: 318.2, #4
I had talked to some Tenn. Fans that I know, and they said before 2004 he had a much more aggressive style D. As their talent declined, their scheme got more conservative
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Posted on 12/12/09 at 8:51 am to fishngrits
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Chavis took an average linebacking corps, and made them really good. Not the sign of a crappy coach.
Agree.
A) We finished 44th nationally in preventing 3rd down conversions (seems much worse). 3rd down conversions. Interesting that only 15 teams had more 3rd down plays run against them.
B) Bend but don't break resulted in LSU ranked 5th in TD% in the red zone only giving up TD's 35% of the time. Red Zone Defense
A+B = frustrating but somewhat effective.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 8:54 am to EricB
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Seriously, Chavis's first year. He runs a zone/blitz defense. You take gambles, you give up big plays, but at the end of the day you come out ahead.
Not enough 3 and outs IMO. D stays on the field too long and when you don't give the O the ball you can't generate any O. Some of those 10 to 15 play drives the D gave up where mind racking.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 8:56 am to catnip
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when you don't give the O the ball you can't generate any O
The O didn't know what to do with it once they got it anyway. More possessions would have padded the punter's stats.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 8:57 am to Mayhawman
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A better D-line and some better TOP from offense will turn it around. They spent to much time on the field and were gassed in a lot of games.
He did well with what was there
this
Posted on 12/12/09 at 8:58 am to JustSmokin
Posted on 12/12/09 at 8:58 am to WildTurkey101
good scoring defense, 8 points better than lastyear..but we still gave up a ton of yards and defenses were on the field way too long. You can thanl crowton's inept offense for that also....but no, i do not like chavis' bend but do not break. D gets too worn out. we need more 3 and outs.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 9:00 am to Fat Bastard
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we need more 3 and outs.
If our defense had as many as our offense, it would be ranked #1 in the country.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 9:12 am to Green Ram 2
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I hate Chavis' defense as well and yes I do agree that 3rd & Chavis is fitting.
Proof that this board is beyond repair.
I hate you all.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 9:37 am to Mayhawman
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Fairly evident it's not Dorsey and Co skill-wise.
So is it recruiting? Evaluating? Coaching? Playing the right people?
I see you say the skill level is not as high so can I construe that as you saying rectuiting?
Posted on 12/12/09 at 10:21 am to Jrv2damac
quote:Can't disagree with that- however, in the case of some games, like against Bama, their lineman were holding on almost every pass play & not a single call against them- that doesn't help the matter of applying pressure...
This LSU defense could possibly be the best defense to rarely get QB pressure of all time.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 10:24 am to LSUcjb318
quote:
Still better than last year
That's not saying much. I thought expectations were higher at LSU.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 10:26 am to LSUcjb318
quote:Agree
Still better than last year
But something has to change b/c of
quote:
I think he did a great job with the average D-line he had.
the secondary still needs work.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 11:01 am to BamaMike
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That's not saying much. I thought expectations were higher at LSU.
The Malleveto experiment was an epic disaster both on the field and off the field. In contrast to last years, this years D was much better.
However, put this years D against the SEC and we are nothing more than average.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 11:21 am to dutchtowntiger100
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DL talent is disturbing but that is more a reflection on Miles/Lane than Chavis
When will LSU switch to 3/4 to compensate for lack of talent on dline? that seems to be the new trend
You do know a 3-4 DL requires more talent right?
Your NTs have to special. If not, your LBs can't do their job. DEs have to be unselfish and big.
I like the 3-4 but it requires specialized players. Bama's 3-4 is good because Cody is a prototype 3-4 NT. That allows McClain and company to really shine.
Now, maybe the new 3-4/4-3 hybrid defense that is becoming the new deal. Look at KC Chiefs and what they are trying to do with Dorsey.
I believe we can have just as good success with a 4-3.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 11:28 am to LSUcjb318
I said it before but give him a Dorsey, another Peterson to lock down the other side of the field, and better linebackers and there is a big difference on that side of the ball. The man did really well considering the holes we had on that side of the ball.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 11:35 am to lsutigerfan1976
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I said it before but give him a Dorsey, another Peterson to lock down the other side of the field, and better linebackers and there is a big difference on that side of the ball. The man did really well considering the holes we had on that side of the ball.
the linebackers were fine. We have a very talented secondary, but you are talking about adding 2 all-Americans on defense, of course that would make u better
Posted on 12/12/09 at 11:38 am to ssgrice
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RANDY44
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Alabama- Great defensive play
We played well against Bama in the 1st half in a sense - gave up some yards, but great int by Kelvin before the half. But Ingram and co. steamrolled us in the 2nd half. The safety was great and PP did make a great int.
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ssgrice
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the blown PP play when Mccluster threw the TD.
That was a great call on OM's part. It was set-up throughout the game when we couldn't stop McCluster.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 11:44 am to LSUcjb318
The Good
- as mentioned our D gave us a solid chance to win every game this year and yes a more competent offense would have helped
- much improved LB play
- made some great TO's (Kelvin before the half at Bama, Hawkins against AU, Chad Jones against Arky, PP's int return for a TD)
- did a good job of keeping teams out of the end zone for the most part
- great against UGA, AU, and 1st hald Aky; good against UF (pts-wise)
The Bad
- didn't help the offense out a lot either
- difficult time getting off the field
- the 3rd and Chavis is legit
- not enough pressure on QB's
- couldn't stop te run when it really counted against OM and Bama. McCluster and Ingram are excellent backs but we shouldn't concede defeat just because we're playing the best.
- as mentioned our D gave us a solid chance to win every game this year and yes a more competent offense would have helped
- much improved LB play
- made some great TO's (Kelvin before the half at Bama, Hawkins against AU, Chad Jones against Arky, PP's int return for a TD)
- did a good job of keeping teams out of the end zone for the most part
- great against UGA, AU, and 1st hald Aky; good against UF (pts-wise)
The Bad
- didn't help the offense out a lot either
- difficult time getting off the field
- the 3rd and Chavis is legit
- not enough pressure on QB's
- couldn't stop te run when it really counted against OM and Bama. McCluster and Ingram are excellent backs but we shouldn't concede defeat just because we're playing the best.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 11:49 am to LSUcjb318
The other point I forgot to mention is unlike crowton, chavis would adjust his schemes to fit the situation and personnel. He was able to mask some our shortcomings on d.
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