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re: 5 Power Conferences - 4 Playoff Spots
Posted on 12/4/19 at 11:01 am to atltiger6487
Posted on 12/4/19 at 11:01 am to atltiger6487
quote:Well, all the games should count.
I don't buy that. Certainly once you get past 8 teams, there's a big drop off in quality, but I'd argue that teams 5-8 would have a decent shot.
"Can a team from 5-9 beat 1-4?" Yes. Hell, S.Car beat UGA.
But are any of the teams between 5-9 "deserving" to claim a NC over any of the teams ranked 1-4?
And specifically 1, 2, or 3?
No. Not even close.
Go back to the 80's. Which team between 5-9 would legitimately be crowned the NC? Not a single one.
BCS was built to give us a legit 1 vs 2.
CFP was built for the odd team out with a legitimate claim and also to avoid an all-SEC final.
This shouldn't be about which team can beta which team. Or which team looks the best via this stupid "eye test".
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Posted on 12/4/19 at 11:05 am to Cracking
They also need to do away with conference championship games and east and west brackets in conferences. When the outcome of a conference championship game could potentially hurt you, over a team that doesn’t play in one, then it’s a bad system. LSU really gains nothing from playing in this game.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 11:16 am to Cracking
And the first round should be at the home field of the top 4 seeds imo.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 11:22 am to coondaddy21
quote:They get to hang that SEC championship banner.
LSU really gains nothing from playing in this game.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 1:00 pm to Mahootney
quote:then why does any sports league have more than 4 teams in the playoffs? Hell, even the FCS has a 24-team playoff (far too many) for a 125 team division.
But are any of the teams between 5-9 "deserving" to claim a NC over any of the teams ranked 1-4?
And specifically 1, 2, or 3?
No. Not even close.
Go back to the 80's. Which team between 5-9 would legitimately be crowned the NC? Not a single one.
Now you could answer "money," and there would be some validity to that. But the main answer is "excitement." I mean, it fun to see a basketball Cinderella, an NFL wild-card team, etc. advance in the playoffs.
Besides, there are a ton of variables that affect teams throughout the year. Maybe the #8 seed had a couple close losses that were flukey, or they had some injuries, or weather, or a suspect penalty, etc. Maybe #8 is every bit as good as the teams above it, but their record doesn't justify a higher seed. I'd want to see #8 against #1. Most college fans would too.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 1:22 pm to warlock1974
Including all Power 5 Conference Champions makes the regular season most meaningful, which has been the argument for a limited/no playoff since before it existed. The entire regular season is required to crown a confernce champion, and it minimizes the corrupting off-field influences.
Add the top Group of 5 Conference Champion to give all of FBS something to play for (no more UCFs claiming their own national championship) and 2 at-large bids, and you have a postseason that accomplishes the stated goals of everyone involved.
For those who think a field of 8 is too many, remember the Patriots' regular season record last year before winning the Super Bowl? Or LSU in 2001 that improved dramatically over the course of the season? In sports, it's far better to include one too many than to include one too few...
I've yet to hear a cogent argument against this format.
Add the top Group of 5 Conference Champion to give all of FBS something to play for (no more UCFs claiming their own national championship) and 2 at-large bids, and you have a postseason that accomplishes the stated goals of everyone involved.
For those who think a field of 8 is too many, remember the Patriots' regular season record last year before winning the Super Bowl? Or LSU in 2001 that improved dramatically over the course of the season? In sports, it's far better to include one too many than to include one too few...
I've yet to hear a cogent argument against this format.
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 12/4/19 at 3:07 pm to atltiger6487
quote:Changing the subject, but I'll play along.
then why does any sports league have more than 4 teams in the playoffs?
For the most part, the answer is parity, but there are a number of other factors. Money, number of regular season games, physicality, number of divisions, etc.
Let's use the NFL as an example: it is designed to increase parity (drafting based on previous year). In addition, there are 8 divisions. 4 get a playoff spot, and they have 2 wild cards to adjust divisions having more than one good team. This is essentially the same system that the CFP uses (aside from the wild cards).
College football has 6 divisions with absolutely no inherent parity.
However, the P5 all have championship games that essentially serve as the first round of the playoffs, which means 10 teams audition for the CFP.
The last division, the G5 teams, are largely excluded due to poor parity with the P5 schools... in terms of schedule, talent, historical success, etc.
Therefore... with 5 conference championship games matching the 2 best teams from each conference.... unless all P5 conferences have an undefeated champion, it is quite hard to claim that a worthy champion was excluded.
quote:How many do-overs do you want a team to get?
Besides, there are a ton of variables that affect teams throughout the year. Maybe the #8 seed had a couple close losses that were flukey, or they had some injuries, or weather, or a suspect penalty, etc. Maybe #8 is every bit as good as the teams above it, but their record doesn't justify a higher seed. I'd want to see #8 against #1. Most college fans would too.
Why not make it 16 teams? Why not all 130?
You don't need #8 in the mix. More than likely #8 lost to one of the teams ranked higher. So, there's no need to put them in as a better/more deserving team has one of those spots.
If your point is that maybe the 2nd or 3rd best team in a conference is better than the best team from another conference.... you may be right. But that's not the point.. and a larger playoff doesn't have consolation rounds anyway.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 3:20 pm to warlock1974
I would vote for at least 5 or 6 team playoff. With five team, 4 vs 5 would be a play-in game. With six team, 1 and 2 would get a bye. Just insane how there are five power conferences and only four slots.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 3:44 pm to Fonzarelli
I support this.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 3:51 pm to warlock1974
i'd rather a spot for every power 5 with one wildcard
Posted on 12/4/19 at 3:52 pm to warlock1974
I still favor the 6 team approach. Winner of the 5 P5 conferences get automatic invites plus 1 at-large team. Top 2 seeds get a bye. Committee determines seeding and the at-large.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 4:15 pm to Mahootney
All of this would be solved by establishing seeding criteria instead of the committee making it up on a whim. When I was a still coaching wrestling through undergrad/grad school, we had established & set criteria we had to go by in order to seed each wrestler. This is what the committee should be doing. I find it insane that this wasn't done in the first place when the committee was established. It would be clear & transparent, which is obviously something they don't want....b/c its done behind closed doors and all...
Posted on 12/4/19 at 4:41 pm to warlock1974
As for as I'm concerned, split up those 5 power five conferences into 8 power eight smaller conferences. Then let the 8 new power eight conference champions play a tournament to determine the national champions.
The beauty of such a system is there wouldn't be a need for a bullshite CFP committee to employ their bogus so-called "eye test" to rig the college football playoff so that only their favorite conference and favorite team wins as is obviously the case this season.
The beauty of such a system is there wouldn't be a need for a bullshite CFP committee to employ their bogus so-called "eye test" to rig the college football playoff so that only their favorite conference and favorite team wins as is obviously the case this season.
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