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Posted on 10/15/08 at 11:52 pm to TheBob
No link needed.
1) Too much contain
2) Safety matched up on wideouts (McCray)
3) No pass rush creativity
4) Little coverage on the RB
5) Giving up 4-5 yard routes
just to name a few.
1) Too much contain
2) Safety matched up on wideouts (McCray)
3) No pass rush creativity
4) Little coverage on the RB
5) Giving up 4-5 yard routes
just to name a few.
Posted on 10/16/08 at 12:09 am to GeauxBob
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1) Too much contain
Don't know what this means.
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2) Safety matched up on wideouts (McCray)
You want to put a corner on him? Thats fine. Then Florida rushes the ball for 1000 yards against us.
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3) No pass rush creativity
I agree. I thought we should have blitzed every down ala Michigan in the bowl game. Could the reults have been any worse anyway?
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4) Little coverage on the RB
We didn't cover a lot of people.
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5) Giving up 4-5 yard routes
That happens. Unless you have 7 Champ Bailey's playing defense.
The thing I do know is that I'm no coach, and I'm not going to sit here and say there is a problem with the scheme or system because I don't know the scheme or the system.
I just think that Florida executed this week to perfection, and their players played better than our players. Kind of like in 2004 when UGA beat the shite out of us. I bet you won't find many people blaming that system huh?
Somedays the other team just "has it." Nothing much you can do.
Posted on 10/16/08 at 12:20 am to TheBob
I don’t presume to have as much football acumen as anyone on our staff. But, I watch games and I see scores and I check stats and I know our defense is UNDERACHIEVING. In fact, how many times since Pelini arrived (and now DM/BDP) have we stuffed a good offense? I suppose you could say UM in ’05, Tenn in ’06 (although Ainge got hurt early), and VT in 07. And none of these were exactly scoring machines. The whole Pelini/DM-BDP scheme underachieves.
Posted on 10/16/08 at 12:53 am to TheBob
It doesn't take a professional coach to see how people are attacking the scheme LSU runs. Some of us actually have studied football and strategy for it, and so can see some things. I never claimed to be a football genius, but it is easy to see that teams are abusing mismatches on our defense.
Having McCray in as the nickel sure didn't seem to slow down UF from running, nor MSU. The thing that is worrisome is that teams are often doing the same thing OVER and OVER and OVER. That's what you can see if you watch the games closely the past year or so.
Contain means the players don't rush full speed to get a sack but to eat up blockers and keep the QB/RB contained within the backfield. We play that a lot and get minimal pressure and give guys like Tebow 5 to 6 seconds to throw the ball. No one can cover talented receivers like UF has for that long consistently.
As for the creative pressure/rushes, I actually was not talking about blitzing at all, but more how our DL are used. We run straight rushes without stunts at all. It's ridiculous. This doesn't confuse the team.
As for blitzes, we aren't even creative with them and show them way to early. They are almost always right up the middle with the LB or Safety standing in front of the center and that is easy to defend if you know its coming. We have very few corner blitzes. We have almost no delayed/disguised blitzes. This is what kills us.
Teams can easily adjust, and LSU's defense almost never adjusts this season so far.
Having McCray in as the nickel sure didn't seem to slow down UF from running, nor MSU. The thing that is worrisome is that teams are often doing the same thing OVER and OVER and OVER. That's what you can see if you watch the games closely the past year or so.
Contain means the players don't rush full speed to get a sack but to eat up blockers and keep the QB/RB contained within the backfield. We play that a lot and get minimal pressure and give guys like Tebow 5 to 6 seconds to throw the ball. No one can cover talented receivers like UF has for that long consistently.
As for the creative pressure/rushes, I actually was not talking about blitzing at all, but more how our DL are used. We run straight rushes without stunts at all. It's ridiculous. This doesn't confuse the team.
As for blitzes, we aren't even creative with them and show them way to early. They are almost always right up the middle with the LB or Safety standing in front of the center and that is easy to defend if you know its coming. We have very few corner blitzes. We have almost no delayed/disguised blitzes. This is what kills us.
Teams can easily adjust, and LSU's defense almost never adjusts this season so far.
Posted on 10/16/08 at 7:08 am to JesuitTiger
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I don't feel the need to go back and edit my first (quickly typed) post when I can elaborate in another (when I have time)
Nice job on owning or in your case NOT owning your words. Sure why bother editing what you originally said when you can come behind it and say folks misunderstood and then proceed to explain what you meant but end up saying something completely different.. just keep on babbling your nonsense, you fit it perfectly here.Posted on 10/16/08 at 7:33 am to econotiger
I heard Coach Pelini speak at a small alumni function before the N.D.bowl game a few yrs ago,& he took quite a bit of time to explain exactly what our defensive game plan was going to be and WHY. Everyone here with all the brilliant observations on how to fix our schemes, or at least what is wrong with it, fails to mention what the offensive teams are doing that causes our defense to do this or that. It's not a matter of LSU simply reacting vs attacking, offensive schemes do dictate at times what the defense does. A basic example Coach Pelini gave: "I hear all the time that I need to blitz ND/Brady Quinn more. When ND lines up with the running backs pulled in to block, our defensive is outmanned as far as a pass rush goes. So,recognizing that scheme, I drop back into stronger coverage, which is there because there are fewer pass routes being run when the RB's stay in the backfield." To paraphrase, anyway. Our coaches watch 1000's of hrs of film, they are professional coaches...ie. they know what they are seeing, they are not stupid, they want to win more than any fan does, because their family's livelihood depends on it. No one on this board is seeing something they don't. CM & his staff have the best winning percentage of any staff in yrs & yrs.At a time when the conference has never been stronger & more competitive. But all of a sudden, they dont' know what they are doing?
Posted on 10/16/08 at 7:42 am to TigerGold4
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And to clarify, I am not one who never criticizes coaches. When there is a need to criticize, I'll be the first to yell it out. Yes, we were outcoached in Gainesville. Yes, we need to blitz more. Yes, we should've used Chad Jones over Harvin because of pure athletic ability. Yes, we need to do something with this co-defensive coordinator thing. I can see all of that, and I'm sure you can too. But to think that you see things that Les Miles doesn't? That's almost comical.
I agree with all you have said, EXCEPT, it may not be that Miles does not see it..but it is human nature to dismiss things that are critical to oneself....so he may see them, but not necessarily acknowledge them.
Sometimes we are too close to the action.
I have seen this MANY times in management, another word for coaching.
Posted on 10/16/08 at 7:44 am to Keltic Tiger
Thank you Keltic...
Sometimes people think that they are more important than they really are.
Sometimes people think that they are more important than they really are.
Posted on 10/16/08 at 3:49 pm to GeauxBob
Dear GeauxBob,
I hope Coach Miles is sitting in his office laughing at you.
Sincerely,
TigerGold4
I hope Coach Miles is sitting in his office laughing at you.
Sincerely,
TigerGold4
Posted on 10/16/08 at 5:19 pm to GeauxBob
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Most discoveries, revelations, or Eureka moments if you will do not occur because someone has more knowledge/experience in a circumstance.
Link?
Posted on 10/16/08 at 9:09 pm to GeauxBob
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Contain means the players don't rush full speed to get a sack but to eat up blockers and keep the QB/RB contained within the backfield.
I understand contain, just not too much contain. That's a new one.
So in other words, you'd rather have our D-line spinning and swimming all over the place and lose contain?
Ah well, doesn't matter.
Posted on 10/16/08 at 9:45 pm to TigerGold4
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Yes, we need to do something with this co-defensive coordinator thing.
So you agree that this was a bad decision. Now, if that is truly your belief, then yes there maybe some things that Miles does not see but the fans do.Some fans felt this was a BAD idea as soon as it was announced. Its apparent Miles did not see it that way or he would not have made the promotions.
Everyone makes mistakes. His mistakes are just magnified because they are viewed on national t.v.
Missing out on a BCS bowl means missing out on $millions$ as well as other benefits. Our recruiting is solid thus far but it can't help that our defense has been exposed ib that whooping we took. With Saban at Bama and their defense looking as good as it does, realistically a lot of kids would rather go with a proven coach. So now it will be that much harder to get kids to choose our CO-COORDINATORS over Saban for instance.
Miles made a mistake, everyone does at some point. The team will pay for it this season. At seasons end, as long as he makes a hire, it will be ok. If not, then I'll PRAY that they somehow drastically improve. I just don't think these guys have a defensive philosophy that is sound. They seem to just try things and then Miles blames poor execution for the results. Uh, Beckwith should NEVER get caught on Harvin. But that's not the point.
Nobody is above criticism. Including a head coach of a D1 program. Uf out-schemed the coaching staff thus out-coaching them. That shows that OBVIOUSLY this coaching staff is not always right and should be open to criticism. The only problem on here is its never constructive criticism.
Posted on 10/16/08 at 10:00 pm to Keltic Tiger
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Our coaches watch 1000's of hrs of film, they are professional coaches...ie. they know what they are seeing,
To make it short, I'm quite sure that Muschamp could watch the same film as Mallory and Peveto and they probably won't have the same take on what they should do. He simply is a BETTER D coordinator than them. Sure they watch film but that doesn't mean they automatically know the best scheme. Hell if simply watching film was always the resolution, there would be no need to rate D coordinators. Miles doesn't appear to have an extensive knowledge of the defensive side of the ball. Therefore a proven D coord. should have been hired. Saan is 1 coach that could probably get away with hiring a shitty D coord., he is a defensive genius. Spurrier is the exact opposite and needs desperately to have a great D coord. because offense is his specialty.
Its kinda like being president, you can't be an expert on everything and you don't have to. You do however, have to appoint people to positions that are experts in that department. Mallory and Peveto are just not getting it done. Some fans have complained since Moo St. but they were told to STFU since we had not lost a game. Then we get the brakes beat off us by UF and its a little like "I told you so". Hopefully we win out and in the offseason hire a BETTER D coordinator.
Posted on 10/16/08 at 10:20 pm to GeauxBob
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Perscpective
one word.
Tepper.
Posted on 10/16/08 at 10:29 pm to ellis1975
I wonder if Tepper, Dinardo,and Hallman watched 1000 hours of film.
Apparently there are opposing coaches that watch film of our defense. They don't seem to have problems attacking it.
Apparently there are opposing coaches that watch film of our defense. They don't seem to have problems attacking it.
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