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re: A quick scoring offense ALWAYS makes your defense less effective.
Posted on 12/24/19 at 12:57 pm to J2thaROC
Posted on 12/24/19 at 12:57 pm to J2thaROC
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You left off a reason why opponents tend to score more when you have an offense that they struggle to stop. Your opponents take more risks because they know they must put points on the board. They utilize more “high risk/high reward” play calling.
Why is the high risk/high reward bullshite youre talking about? The D for the most part with the exception of the last 3 games played soft and out of position and you’re telling me it’s because of opponents offense was taking more risks, but the D still had trouble with it?
You have facts to backup you’re ridiculous claim
Why wouldn’t the other team control the clock in an effort to minimize scoring opportunities ?
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Posted on 12/24/19 at 3:48 pm to gmoney1237
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There is a difference mentally on defense when you know you HAVE to stop the other team to have a chance to win and knowing your offense will put up 40+ every game
Agree 100%.
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I think they finally individually got a chip on their shoulders the last few games and played great every play to prove doubters wrong.
Possible, I do think it had some to do with the media and public perception. But I also think they just got to the point where they were truly on a mission. That's one of the reasons I am very confident about the playoffs.
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They also made plays when they had to have a stop in the earlier games.
Yup, I have been saying this all season. I think I've seen you saying it before too.
Posted on 12/24/19 at 3:58 pm to noonan
I looked through the responses for this but haven't seen anyone mention the 2 most obvious reasons a quick scoring offense can cause issues for a defense and why in most games you would see them give up points in bunches whether it is first half or second.
1. The defensive position coaches have absolutely no time to get the adjustments to the players between drives and stop what the other team is doing. It is much easier for an OC to attack a defense with playcalling and no adjustment between drives than it is to communicate with defensive linemen on where they need to adjust.
2. The opponent just flat out gets many more chances to prove your defense for a weakness. It's simple when you realize most times the other team gets fewer drives to find a hole then you give the twice that many and prevent your own defense from adjusting to what they notice the opponent doing your going to see points out up at some point until it can be adjusted for.
Might not always be the complete explanation but it is always a factor.
1. The defensive position coaches have absolutely no time to get the adjustments to the players between drives and stop what the other team is doing. It is much easier for an OC to attack a defense with playcalling and no adjustment between drives than it is to communicate with defensive linemen on where they need to adjust.
2. The opponent just flat out gets many more chances to prove your defense for a weakness. It's simple when you realize most times the other team gets fewer drives to find a hole then you give the twice that many and prevent your own defense from adjusting to what they notice the opponent doing your going to see points out up at some point until it can be adjusted for.
Might not always be the complete explanation but it is always a factor.
Posted on 12/24/19 at 4:24 pm to Yeahright
Defenses that get off the field quickly do not get tired. Defenses that do not get off the field are the ones that get tired. It has little to do with how long the drives are. Defenses feed off the energy of their offense scoring. They smell blood in the water.
Posted on 12/24/19 at 4:50 pm to coachw
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Posted on 12/24/19 at 6:56 pm to The Boat
quote:This year’s team is more deficient in time of possession than any other in recent memory. Offenses under Les burned more clock than this year’s team did, meaning fewer snaps for the defense.
Funny that the quick 3 and out offenses under Les didn't make the defense play poorly.
This post was edited on 12/24/19 at 7:20 pm
Posted on 12/24/19 at 7:05 pm to Yeahright
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A quick scoring offense ALWAYS makes your defense less effective
Not really, a quick, 1-2-3 out defense ALWAYS makes your offense more productive.
Posted on 12/24/19 at 7:39 pm to DTig
It's actually a complicated question, football has alot of variables and the ways they interact are not always readily apparent. I'd like to see a statistical study of teams that change offenses from running to passing or from "possess the ball" philosophy to "score quickly" philosophy and see if there is any direct correlation to defensive downturns.
I think it's simply coincidence/injuries that our D seemed to turn into a big 12 D this year at the same time our offense lit it up. But I could be wrong there may actually be some reasons there.
I think it's simply coincidence/injuries that our D seemed to turn into a big 12 D this year at the same time our offense lit it up. But I could be wrong there may actually be some reasons there.
Posted on 12/24/19 at 7:41 pm to TigerLunatik
I wonder how it adds up in close/1score games? I’ll look into that if I think about it in a couple days.
Posted on 12/24/19 at 7:45 pm to xiv
That's a great question. I would be interested in what you come up with. I've also said in the past that it's my opinion that there would be just as many ineffective drives in the past as there have been quick scoring drives this season. Obviously I have no concrete evidence of that.
Posted on 12/24/19 at 8:40 pm to The Boat
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Funny that the quick 3 and out offenses under Les didn't make the defense play poorly.
Funny that the defenses were always great under Les.
Posted on 12/24/19 at 11:40 pm to Yeahright
I don’t know if anybody has brought up the fact that it might be lack of confidence that caused the slide this year on defense. Burrow has stated that the offense man handled the defense in practice this year. How much does that have an effect on the mental aspect. No doubt LSU’s defenses in the past built alot of confidence against the offense in practice.
Posted on 12/25/19 at 5:32 am to Leon the pro
the biggest diff is mentally...
when your team is ahead by 14 or 21, the D will not feel the urgency....human nature.
such URGENCY is to be demanded and strived for.
when your team is ahead by 14 or 21, the D will not feel the urgency....human nature.
such URGENCY is to be demanded and strived for.
Posted on 12/25/19 at 6:00 am to Yeahright
So does trying to do a little too much.
This post was edited on 12/25/19 at 6:08 am
Posted on 12/25/19 at 6:18 am to Yeahright
Another factor I haven't seen is early in the year I recall Aranda (or maybe O) talking about installing a zone defense with the intent of when we played Alabama, they could go man or zone in an effort to confuse Tua (what Clemson did in the Ship). There were enough growing pains with this concept early in the season so as much that the staff felt the need to explain.
Couple with that the lack of pass rush AND some freshmen stepping in for injured/suspended players and teams playing catch up, and the defense will give up more yards and points.
Somewhere around the Florida game the offense would slow down a drive or two and run the ball more in that series. IMO, that's when the defense started allowing fewer points per game.
Couple with that the lack of pass rush AND some freshmen stepping in for injured/suspended players and teams playing catch up, and the defense will give up more yards and points.
Somewhere around the Florida game the offense would slow down a drive or two and run the ball more in that series. IMO, that's when the defense started allowing fewer points per game.
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