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re: \A quote Verbatim from Lou Holtz \
Posted on 8/28/08 at 10:29 am to ASUTiger
Posted on 8/28/08 at 10:29 am to ASUTiger
as a Coach, he was excellent
as a motivator, he is excellent
as a commentator HE SUCKS
at least his son "seems" to be OK
...East Carolina coach.
as a motivator, he is excellent
as a commentator HE SUCKS
at least his son "seems" to be OK
...East Carolina coach.
This post was edited on 8/28/08 at 10:31 am
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Posted on 8/28/08 at 10:31 am to DaddyGriff
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when asked about some teams having great athletes versus some teams that don't he said," I'd rather have a slow guy going the right way than a fast guy going the wrong way"
Vintage Lou right there, I love it. Every once in a while he actually says something that is a gem...the problem is wading through the shite to get there.
Posted on 8/28/08 at 10:33 am to L S Usetheforce
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recievers...covering Southern(Wanted to spit out Cal so bad)...LSU recievers and LSU's recievers could cover OSU recievers....That was the difference in the ballgame....wadn't on defense, Wad'nt on speed...It was the ability to stop the huge play at wide reciever."
God only knows how much Notre Dame encased saliva had to be mopped up by the crew.
Posted on 8/28/08 at 10:35 am to VooDoo1321
Did anyone else catch May's blunder while Davis and Holtz stared silently?
He was asked in the Extra Points segment who would be the most underrated SEC team. He said "South Carolina". Then, he began talking about personnel from Tennessee.
He was asked in the Extra Points segment who would be the most underrated SEC team. He said "South Carolina". Then, he began talking about personnel from Tennessee.
Posted on 8/28/08 at 10:47 am to L S Usetheforce
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It was the ability to stop the huge play at wide reciever."
Which is generally done by a defense and facilitated by differences in speed.
Posted on 8/28/08 at 10:49 am to Morgus
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Which is generally done by a defense and facilitated by differences in speed.
Thanks for finally bring that to point Morgus
Posted on 8/28/08 at 10:49 am to L S Usetheforce
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It was the ability to stop the huge play at wide reciever."
What huge plays did we make at wide receiver? Wasn't our longest pass play something like 15-20 yards?
Posted on 8/28/08 at 11:36 am to jspenc2
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Being a great coach doesn't automatically make him
He wasn't even that great a coach. He had a history of stepping into a program, improving it dramatically, then steadily fading back into mediocrity. Of the major schools that he coached (N.C. State, Arkansas, Notre Dame, South Carolina) only N.C. State was really much better off when he left than when he arrived, although all did experience significant improvement during part of his tenure.
Arkansas:
Last 5 years before Holtz (under Frank Broyles):
1972: 6-5
1973: 5-5-1
1974: 6-4-1
1975: 10-2 (won SWC title, won Cotton Bowl)
1976: 5-5-1
Under Holtz:
1977: 11-1 (won Orange Bowl)
1978: 9-2-1
1979: 10-2 (shared SWC title, lost sugar Bowl)
1980: 7-5
1981: 8-4
1982: 9-2-1
1983: 6-5
So, for five years before he got there, they were a little over .500 most of the time, with one spike up to 10-2 during that time. In the last four years of Holtz, they were a little over .500 with one spike up to 9-2-1 during that time. But for his first three years at Arkansas, they were a sizzling 30-5-1. He took a pretty average program, made it very good very quickly, then turned it back into a pretty average program, maybe slightly better than the one he inherited, but not much.
At Notre Dame:
In the 5 years before Holtz (under Gerry Faust):
1981: 5-6
1982: 6-4-1
1983: 7-5
1984: 7-5
1985: 5-6
Under Holtz:
1986: 5-6
1987: 8-4
1988: 12-0 (national champions)
1989: 12-1 (won Orange Bowl)
1990: 9-3 (lost Orange Bowl)
1991: 10-3 (won Sugar Bowl)
1992: 10-1-1 (won Cotton Bowl)
1993: 11-1 (won Cotton Bowl)
1994: 6-5-1
1995: 9-3 (lost Orange Bowl)
1996: 8-3
It's certainly less pronounced in this case, but nevertheless there. He inherited a program that was just over .500, took two years to turn it into national championship caliber, maintained it at a high level for a few years, then faded the last three years. He left the program better off than he found it, but not all that much better off (23-11-1 over his last three years vs. 30-26-1 during the Faust years prior to his arrival).
At South Carolina:
In the five years before Holtz (under Brad Scott):
1994: 7-5 (won Carquest Bowl, first bowl win for the school)
1995: 4-6-1
1996: 6-5
1997: 5-6
1998: 1-10
Under Holtz:
1999: 0-11
2000: 8-4 (won Outback Bowl)
2001: 9-3 (won Outback Bowl)
2002: 5-7
2003: 5-7
2004: 6-5
Again, he took over a program in bad shape, hovering mostly around .500 until the 1-10 disaster in 1998. After a rough first year, he turned it around and won back-to-back Outback Bowls. Then, they faded back into mediocrity over the last three years. Again, he might have left the program a little better off than he found it, but not by a whole lot (16-19 over his last three years vs. 23-32-1 under Brad Scott), but had a spike in between that was very good.
Now, you have to take your hat off to his spectacular 64-9-1 run at Notre Dame from 1988 through 1993, and I think that solidifies him as a good coach. But the tendency of all his programs (except N.C. State) to fade on his watch after an initial run of success was just too consistent and noticeable to classify him among the truly great coaches of college football.
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