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re: Average SEC Head Coach's Buyout - $16,500,000
Posted on 2/4/19 at 8:52 am to Hot Carl
Posted on 2/4/19 at 8:52 am to Hot Carl
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His point could be that all the bitches whining about Orgeron’s extension have no idea what they’re talking about regarding this issue, and should probably just shut the frick up
then he chose a really poor way to express that.
or, maybe, you're simply incorrect trying to assume what OP meant.
personally, if he was trying to show that "all the bitches whining" have "no idea what they're talking about", then he would have to actually quote "all the bitches whining" to display their ability to have "no idea what they're talking about". in my opinion, of course.
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Posted on 2/4/19 at 8:53 am to TheTexasTiger7
I don't know what people's problem is with Gus Malzahn. The dude is a damn good coach.
For all the excuses we LSU fans make for LSU's head coach having to coach in the same division as Nick Saban, how would you like the coach in the same division, be their biggest rival and have to reside in the same state as they do? They also have a state with the same population with less recruits per capita as Louisiana and they're having the split half of it with Alabama.
And he still beats them more than LSU does.
For all the excuses we LSU fans make for LSU's head coach having to coach in the same division as Nick Saban, how would you like the coach in the same division, be their biggest rival and have to reside in the same state as they do? They also have a state with the same population with less recruits per capita as Louisiana and they're having the split half of it with Alabama.
And he still beats them more than LSU does.
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 8:54 am
Posted on 2/4/19 at 8:56 am to jeffsdad
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How does that work? Can he stop coaching and open a hot dog stand?
If he did he should call it, Lucky Dog.
Maybe that was a bad reference. Only my Nola peeps might get that one
Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:00 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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The experiment is over.
by the very nature of the contract still being in place, it's hard to say the experiment is over.
I think the real point the OP is missing is that all the "Fire Alleva" threads were largely unnecessary seeing as how Orgeron's buyout is only 6 million after this season.
Assuming, of course, that the buyout does not go up with the reported extension.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:02 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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$148 million — Texas A&M football's annual average revenue, making the Aggies the country's most valuable college football team. The Aggies overthrew in-state rival Texas, which falls to the No. 2 spot on our list. What can A&M fans attribute their school's success to? Millions in alumni contributions, ticket revenue and royalties, and their $41 million revenue distribution check from the SEC.
It's easy to be number one in the industry when you're the only gayme in town. They're catering to an untapped niche market. They bend over backwards for their customers and they really reach around to their fan base.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:03 am to The First Cut
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It’s more about the turnover with assistants. But none of that is the point. When you have the shortest contract in the SEC it’s used against you in recruiting. Kids want to know who they’ll be playing for.
He didn’t commit to Kingsbury. But your HC whonis supposed to be an offensive minded guy, needing to hire a completely new OC who then leaves immediately doesn’t bode well for the HC.
O just had a top 10 season.
We have him under contract another 3 years
We could EASILY extend him and give him a pay bump before signing day, if he has a big season.
Sorry the only way coaching instability is getting used against O is if he has a dissappointing season.
Most kids are smart enough to understand extensions can happen at anytime, and a coach who is coaching well probably isn’t going anywhere.
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 9:47 am
Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:04 am to TrevRollings29
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Ed Orgeron is an experimental process. The purpose was to have a cheaper deal with the HC with more expensive coordinators.
To date - the total offensive production has trended downward.
The defense has continued to perform with a predated hire.
Still no top 3 recruiting class.
Still not even a top 2 finish in his own division.
A 1 million dollar raise would put him getting 200k more a year than Miles was making.
Give me one objective reason why he should have such a large buyout? His literal only accomplishment is going to a new years 6 bowl - which ironically occurred in spite of LSU's record, not because of it. The playoff era has made entry into New Years 6 bowls much more subjective - otherwise Texas A&M would have went and not us.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:06 am to Mo Jeaux
Jeezus H. Christ on a crutch! The OP didn't make any point at all. He simply presented facts. If you want to dispute what he printed, then present whatever counter-FACTS you have. If you're trying to imply that he's O-boosting, then you're a typical O-negative rantiot trying desperately to display your stupidity.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:09 am to Alt26
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I don't think it's so much that O's buyout is "high" as much as the fact that he has a buyout at all.
Orgeron has ZERO negotiating leverage against LSU. There is not another power 5 program in America that would be willing to pay him $3.5 million per year, nor fully/partially guarantee such contract. Orgeron's power conf. HC market is limited to ONE school...LSU.
I'm not saying LSU is thinking about firing Orgeron or even that they should be considering such action at this point in his tenure. But, it's foolish not to acknowledge that circumstances can change. We ALL hope he doesn't, but LSU could regress and significantly underachieve next year and the year after that. If that is the case, why would you want to uncessarily make it more onerous to make a coaching change (even if it is less onerous relative to other SEC HC's)?
Alleva did EXACTLY that with Johnny Jones on the basketball side. Like Orgeron, LSU was Jones' ONLY major conf market. Also like O, his initial salary was relatively "cheap". After two seasons where the program improved, but didn't accomplish anything monumental (one NIT appearance), Alleva gave Jones a raise and extended his contract by two years, fully guaranteeing the extension. Jones had some recruiting momentum and it was understandable to make sure he at least (perception-wise) had a 4 year contract in name only. But no other was coming after Jones. Like O, he had a market of ONE.
Ultimately, and not unexpectedly, Jones underachieved. The failure to reach the NCAAT with the Simmons team was the apex of that underachievement and it was abundantly clear then that Jones was never going to be the HC who would get LSU to a championship level program (or even just a consistent NCAAT team). Unfortunately, Jones' unnecessary buyout made it cost prohibitive to cut ties with Jones when LSU should have done so. Particularly in light of the fact that LSU was likely (and did) on the verge of making a HC change in football. As a result, Jones hung on for a year too long and bottomed out the program in the process.
Point being, why bid against yourself only to unnecessarily handcuff yourself later on if the need arises to make a change? If's O's market increases outside of LSU and above $3.5 mill, then deal with it at that time by matching/beating the competitor's offer.
I want to see somebody try to argue against this.
Go ahead...
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 9:11 am
Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:12 am to Buckeye Jeaux
This literally gives coaches a huge incentive to underachieve and just coast. If I’m jimbo I’m just waiting for the day they fire me so I can retire and collect that paycheck without doing shite. Could careless if the phaggies hate me in college station.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:20 am to p&g
“ bitch about LSU‘s head football coach”
Yeah, I’ve never seen bitching about LSU‘s football coach on this forum until Coach O got the job. Before, 9-4, 10-3, top 2 recruiting classes, and 5-3 with bottom 1/2 of the SEC O were celebrated with peaches and cream and cries of acclaim.
I have to wonder what LSU football some people have been following over the last decade or so to think there something different and extraordinary going on currently with the team, its fans, or treatment of the HC.
Yeah, I’ve never seen bitching about LSU‘s football coach on this forum until Coach O got the job. Before, 9-4, 10-3, top 2 recruiting classes, and 5-3 with bottom 1/2 of the SEC O were celebrated with peaches and cream and cries of acclaim.
I have to wonder what LSU football some people have been following over the last decade or so to think there something different and extraordinary going on currently with the team, its fans, or treatment of the HC.
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 9:31 am
Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:21 am to nola000
Well he doesn’t beat us and that’s what I’m concerned about.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:26 am to BigSlick
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he OP didn't make any point at all. He simply presented facts. If you want to dispute what he printed, then present whatever counter-FACTS you have. If you're trying to imply that he's O-boosting
On the same page, the OP later stated:
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The plain-vanilla buyout number for Orgeron is $16.5 million. And somewhere between $16.5 and $29.7 is within reason.
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then you're a typical O-negative rantiot trying desperately to display your stupidity.
Let next season play out.
A "final AP poll top 10 finish" is PR at its finest.
If all the usual suspects genuinely feel that Orgeron is achieving, then why are you all so desperate to see him get a raise and an extension at the first hint of success?
There isn't a single person on this board that does not know that next year will truly show if Ed is capable of winning his division, conference or making it to the playoffs. Why the rush?
Why would anyone want to hold this program hostage to an insane buyout that would do anything to prevent from changing directions if the ship starts sinking? There's no reason to. If you need to extend him for recruiting purposes, and I can see Alleva not losing that PR battle, then extend him. He already got an extra 150k for making it to a New Years 6 bowl, imo he owes the playoff committee half of that for keeping him so high after dropping a 3rd game in aggie land. Let next year happen. Buyouts are for coaches that would jump ship if they don't feel secure enough in your position. There are plenty of schools that would come after and have came after all of the coaches ranked above O in the buyout. That's just business.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:27 am to BigSlick
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If you're trying to imply that he's O-boosting, then you're a typical O-negative rantiot trying desperately to display your stupidity.
From th OP later in the thread:
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The experiment is over. Coach O brought home the bacon with a Top-10 final ranking.
Time to pay the man the normal rate.
His intentions are clear.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:27 am to BigSlick
Facts
All the contracts with bigger buyouts than Os have more years on the (all have at least 5 years)
FACT
O’s original buyout with 5 years left was 16 mill
All the contracts with bigger buyouts than Os have more years on the (all have at least 5 years)
FACT
O’s original buyout with 5 years left was 16 mill
Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:37 am to BigSlick
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Jeezus H. Christ on a crutch! The OP didn't make any point at all. He simply presented facts. If you want to dispute what he printed, then present whatever counter-FACTS you have.
Which is why I asked him what point he was trying to make, idiot.
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If you're trying to imply that he's O-boosting, then you're a typical O-negative rantiot trying desperately to display your stupidity.
Well, unlike idiots like you, I can actually remember things. I know the OP's routine on this board, so I could infer what he was doing.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:39 am to The First Cut
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I don’t care about buyouts like the snowflakes here.
You're expending an awful lot of energy in this thread for not caring about them.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:42 am to nola000
And LSU is 9-3 vs. Auburn in the last 12 games. O is 2-0 vs. "Gus the great".
Posted on 2/4/19 at 10:03 am to rob62
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Poor little ole LSU is always in the top 6 or 7 nationally for Athletic Dept Income and LSU does it with zero state dollars as it is not allowed for 1 single educati
We've actually been as high as 3. Been dropping ever since.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 10:10 am to Whiskeyjack Del Rio
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think the real point the OP is missing is that all the "Fire Alleva" threads were largely unnecessary seeing as how Orgeron's buyout is only 6 million after this season.
bullshite. Dude should never have been hired.
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