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re: Beating Bama will impact their program
Posted on 4/15/08 at 4:07 pm to itawambadog
Posted on 4/15/08 at 4:07 pm to itawambadog
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i burried a cowbell in bryant denny stadium
hence the whole "its constantly full of ugly bovine shaped people"
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Posted on 4/15/08 at 4:10 pm to King Joey
Ok here are the flaws in your argument.
1.DiNardo did get the Indiana head coach job, and you call that a major college job like that is a step up from or a lateral move from LSU. It is a step down to a bottom dwelling Big 10 basketball school.
2.Gerry DiNardo,big success at LSU
Please. A big success. He was about a big of a success at LSU as Shula was at Bama.
1.DiNardo did get the Indiana head coach job, and you call that a major college job like that is a step up from or a lateral move from LSU. It is a step down to a bottom dwelling Big 10 basketball school.
2.Gerry DiNardo,big success at LSU
Please. A big success. He was about a big of a success at LSU as Shula was at Bama.
Posted on 4/15/08 at 4:12 pm to cajunbama
quote:The Birmingham Thunderbolts. How bout them apples? Oh wait, I thought you said XFL.
What NFL or major college teams did they go on to be head coaches of after LSU made them?
Posted on 4/15/08 at 4:15 pm to WONTONGO
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Yeah, I remember the one year run that league had, and that he coached the team in Birmingham. I was thinking of a real football team thought. LOL.
I think they were called the Birmingham Fire.
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e Birmingham Thunderbolts. How bout them apples? Oh wait, I thought you said XFL.
Yeah, I remember the one year run that league had, and that he coached the team in Birmingham. I was thinking of a real football team thought. LOL.
I think they were called the Birmingham Fire.
Posted on 4/15/08 at 4:15 pm to cajunbama
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2.Gerry DiNardo,big success at LSU
Please. A big success. He was about a big of a success at LSU as Shula was at Bama.
Dinardo was successful at LSU, his downfall was having Tepper as DC, he had 9-3 and 10-2 seasons including kicking your boy Sabans arse in the Indy bowl...
Posted on 4/15/08 at 4:20 pm to LSURulzSEC
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Dinardo was successful at LSU, his downfall was having Tepper as DC, he had 9-3 and 10-2 seasons including kicking your boy Sabans arse
This is true.
Posted on 4/15/08 at 4:25 pm to LSURulzSEC
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including kicking your boy Sabans arse in the Indy bowl...
Hey if he won an Indy bowl, how could that not be described as successfull right. ROTFLMFAO.
What????
quote:
he had 9-3 and 10-2 seasons
Two good years but you guys are killing me because that is not the point. Someone said that LSU made DiNardo a success, if so, why aint the guy somebodies head coach. The answer is because he was a miserable failure and yall fired his arse. Damn, this is simple really.
Posted on 4/15/08 at 4:26 pm to cajunbama
Posted on 4/15/08 at 4:29 pm to cajunbama
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2.Gerry DiNardo,big success at LSU
Please. A big success. He was about a big of a success at LSU as Shula was at Bama.
DiNardo had precisely three winning seasons in his head football coaching career. All three were at LSU, including a 10-2 top 10 ranked season. Relative to the rest of his career in college and pro coaching, he was a huge success at LSU, just like Saban.
quote:No, I never suggested it was a step up or lateral move. I just remarked that as a BCS Conference school it is technically a "major" college football job. None of the bigger programs were gullible enough to hire a coach simply because he -- like virtually every coach at LSU -- suddenly had much better teams when he took over at LSU and managed to post a great season or two.
1.DiNardo did get the Indiana head coach job, and you call that a major college job like that is a step up from or a lateral move from LSU.
What you are still failing to note (deliberately, I think) is that the common thread is still common to all these coaches including Saban -- they never had the kind of success anywhere else in football that they had at LSU. Granted, Saban is a better coach than DiNardo was, but like Indiana, Bama should expect pre-LSU and/or pro-football Saban results more so than at-LSU Saban results.
Posted on 4/15/08 at 4:31 pm to cajunbama
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Hey if he won an Indy bowl, how could that not be described as successfull right. ROTFLMFAO.
What????
Actually it was a successful season that year in being Dinardo's first season at taking over for the disaster that was known as Curly Hallman...
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Two good years but you guys are killing me because that is not the point. Someone said that LSU made DiNardo a success, if so, why aint the guy somebodies head coach.
Cause its easier, steadier and more profitable and less stressful to be in broadcasting which he is in now...
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The answer is because he was a miserable failure and yall fired his arse.
Tepper was his downfall, Dinardo was a good coach and the guy could recruit, it was Teppers defense schemes that couldn't close an umbrella that cost Dinardo his job...if you would do your homework you would know this...
Posted on 4/15/08 at 4:43 pm to cajunbama
quote:Yes, it is, and you are being incredibly stupid not to get it.
Someone said that LSU made DiNardo a success, if so, why aint the guy somebodies head coach. The answer is because he was a miserable failure and yall fired his arse. Damn, this is simple really
Yes, DiNardo was never hired as a head coach anywhere as good as LSU, and that was almost certainly because he was not a very good coach. And yet, he had very successful seasons at LSU. So, was it the coach or was it LSU?
Mike Archer has never been a head coach anywhere but LSU (as far as I know), and that is almost certainly because he's not a very good head coach. And yet, he had some very successful seasons at LSU. So, was it the coach or was it LSU?
Jerry Stovall was never a head coach anywhere but LSU (again, as far as I know), and that is again almost certainly because he is not a very good head coach. And yet, he had some successful seasons and was voted National Coach of the Year at LSU. So, was it the coach or was it LSU?
Before and after LSU, Nick Saban has never won 10 games as a head coach, only won more than 7 games in two of his nine seasons, never won more than 15 games in two years, never won an outright conference title (Toledo split the MAC his year there), and certainly never won any National Championships. And yet, while at LSU, he had two 10+ win seasons, never won fewer than 8 games in a season, never won less than 18 games in two seasons, won two SEC Championships, and won the National Championship. So, was it the coach or was it LSU?
Y'all have bet $32 million that it was the coach THIS time. That's why y'all are gumps.
This post was edited on 4/15/08 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 4/15/08 at 4:46 pm to King Joey
Posted on 4/15/08 at 6:13 pm to WONTONGO
Posted on 4/15/08 at 6:21 pm to King Joey
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Relative to the rest of his career in college and pro coaching, he was a huge success at LSU
Relative being the key word.
quote:
I just remarked that as a BCS Conference school it is technically a "major" college football job.
I disagree, Indiana is a Major College Basketball job. Its D1 or whatever they call it now but it is not a big time college football job. Please spare me. If LSU made Dinardo a success, as you keep saying, he would not have been fired. Period. End of discussion. Shula won 10 games at Bama. Franchione did and Texas A and M fired him. Dubose won 10 games, so big fricking deal dude if Dinardo won 10 one year 9 another, and won and Indy bowl. It is all meaningless because he was not good enough to cut it as LSU's coach. If he was such a success he would still be LSU's coach.
Posted on 4/15/08 at 6:25 pm to cajunbama
quote:I guess the point is too refined for gump sensibilities. So I'll put it in your terms.
If LSU made Dinardo a success, as you keep saying, he would not have been fired.
"Gerry D bad coach. LSU make bad coach better.
Mike Archer bad coach. LSU make bad coach better.
Jerry Stovall mediocre coach. LSU make mediocre coach better.
Dietzel good coach. LSU make good coach great.
Saban good coach. LSU make good coach great.
Miles good coach. LSU make good coach great.
Gump get point now? Saban good coach, but only great at LSU."
Posted on 4/15/08 at 6:26 pm to King Joey
best i've read all day.
Posted on 4/15/08 at 6:32 pm to King Joey
quote:
Yes, DiNardo was never hired as a head coach anywhere as good as LSU, and that was almost certainly because he was not a very good coach. And yet, he had very successful seasons at LSU. So, was it the coach or was it LSU?
What about the unsuccessful seasons. Was that the coach or LSU. The argument can be made both ways.
you call
Mike Archer successful.
Jerry Stovall successful.
Gerry Dinardo successful.
I think we have different ideas of what is successful. Mike Shula won 10 games, but I would not call him successful. I wouldn't call the 3 above successful head coaches either. Successful head coaches don't end their careers as head coaches being fired. Stoval also went 0-4 versus Miss St and 2-2 versus Tulane. Was that the coach or LSU. Did LSU make him also. LOL.
After all 3 coaches you ask was it the coach or LSU. Since the 4 or 5 coaches we are talking about were all fired by LSU except Saban, I am still missing your point.
Posted on 4/15/08 at 6:38 pm to FLBamafan
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You're a complete fricking idiot if you think we lose to La. Tech/Monroe (not sure who we play)
Why? Last years game against ULM was not a dream, it was reality. Why couldn't it happen again? Remember, Saban had some UGLY losses when he was at LSU too. Dont call him a "F'n Idiot" just because you dont like thinking about another ugly loss.
Posted on 4/15/08 at 6:43 pm to King Joey
Oh I forgot, LSU is the King Maker for coaches. Please. You are changing your argument. You said these were successful coaches and I said they were not. A 10 win season does not make a coach a success. Curry won 10 at Bama, Dubose, Fran, and Shula. That was my point. I could say the same about those coaches at Bama. That Bama makes bad coaches better, but I still say it takes more than a 10 win season to make a coach a success or failure. As far as how Saban will do at Bama, time and history will tell. I am not predicting NC or anything, I just want to be able to challenge for the west and the rest will take care of itself if you get that far.
Posted on 4/15/08 at 6:45 pm to cajunbama
quote:
you call
Mike Archer successful.
Jerry Stovall successful.
Gerry Dinardo successful.
Look, I can't make this any simpler for you. All of them were more successful at LSU than they were anywhere else. Virtually every coach LSU has ever had has been more successful at LSU than they ever were anywhere else. Given that this strikingly consistent pattern has also held true for Saban's 14 year career as a head coach, the point is that you gumps are deluded in thinking that Saban's success at LSU is likely to ever be repeated anywhere else; NO ONE (except Curley Hallman) has ever been as successful anywhere else as they were at LSU. THAT is what is meant when people say, "LSU makes the coach."
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