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Posted on 4/2/10 at 10:28 am to ForeLSU
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no one "demands" respect and gets it.
Of course they do.
I'm not talking about overtly yelling "respect me". I'm talking the subtle form of leadership that lets kids know you will do things the right way.
Those coaches demanded that respect in the way that they led and received it...absolutely.
Posted on 4/2/10 at 10:32 am to Flyin Tighas
The black ones are jus kids. 
Posted on 4/2/10 at 10:36 am to Tiger Ugly
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Those coaches demanded that respect in the way that they led and received it...absolutely.
I think you mean they "commanded respect".
Posted on 4/2/10 at 10:44 am to ForeLSU
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I think you mean they "commanded respect".
Either and both.
You're splitting hairs on verbage and psychology IMHO Fore. My point is there was accountability from Day 1 with those two coaches however you choose to define it.
Maybe Chavis and Gonzo bring that back and maybe not but again I really think ultimately it has to come from the head coach and whether you call it demanding, commanding, earning or whatever I have serious questions as to whether Coach Miles, as much as I wish it were so, brings that to the table.
Posted on 4/2/10 at 10:51 am to josh336
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Some coaches have the in your face approach and some dont, a coach isn't going to change his approach, both ways can be effective contrary to popular belief on this board.
Both ways can be effective, but neither way can be effective unless the coach is good at whatever his approach is. Mack Brown and Pete Carroll are not really "in your face" kind of coaches, but Curley Hallman and Mike Dubose were. Steve Spurrier and Nick Saban are, but Mike Shula and Les Miles aren't. Coaches succeed or fail based on whether they are good, smart coaches, not on which approach to dealing with players they use. The ideal coach is one who figures out which players react best to which approach and adjusts his approach accordingly.
Posted on 4/2/10 at 10:52 am to ForeLSU
Respect can be had by demand and or earned. Im sure Pete Caroll has had respect. Im also sure Bear Bryant, Vince Lombardi, George Patton,etc. had respect. I played for a couple of coaches that would do things to players and there wasnt too many lauhging behind their back. I can assure you. It got results. Those listed above also had other more diplomatic sides too. When it was time to pull out the "Hammer" it worked.
Posted on 4/2/10 at 10:55 am to Tiger Ugly
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You're splitting hairs on verbage and psychology IMHO Fore.
may seem like splitting, but IMO there is a big difference...although I agree with your points about leadership and accountability.
Posted on 4/2/10 at 11:03 am to Nuts4LSU
This is true now because players are coming out of an appeasement caudal style and so there cant be a universal show of strength by coaches. They do have to adapt different coaching styles to fit the players. In the past everyone had at least one in your face, "chewin' tobacca" grab your face mask coach. In the past a coach could and would chew on everyone good,bad or ugly. Frequency of such actions depended on how long it took to catch on. It worked.
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