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re: Both teams looked very beatable
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:17 am to Scruffy
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:17 am to Scruffy
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Why didn't WVU beat us? They have a prolific passing offense, yet they got destroyed. Why?
Because they aren't as good as Oklahoma or any of the other teams I mentioned, either on offense or defense?
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Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:18 am to TheSexecutioner
quote:So, why do you assume we can't do it against another prolific passing team when we beat the 6th ranked passing offense in the nation by a score of 47-21?
West Virginia is the only thing we played resembling one and I'd say we about held our own against them
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:18 am to TheSexecutioner
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I'm a little bit less confident about handling a prolific passing offense.
Like who? The Packers?
They're the only prolific offense I can think of that has a defense that won't get pounded into the turf by LSU's offense.
ETA: Excuse the hyperbole, but seriously... LSU has put up a lot of points this year against non-NFC South opponents.
This post was edited on 11/6/11 at 11:20 am
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:18 am to TheSexecutioner
Hate to use the old cliche Sir Sexecutioner, but Defense wins national championships, Offenses are entertaining. Just the way it is. 
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:18 am to TheSexecutioner
Both offenses were averaging just under 40 points per game. 9-6. Huge difference. Defenses dominated.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:19 am to UGATiger26
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No I'm not. If you thought they both looked beatable in 2006 then congratulations. Half the country thought they should rematch for the NC.
Oh, you didn't think they looked beatable? I guess at the time, I was a huge SEC elitist so I was probably biased. I remember going on about how all that game showed was how bad their defenses were.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:19 am to TheSexecutioner
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Because they aren't as good as Oklahoma or any of the other teams I mentioned, either on offense or defense?
Oklahoma's defense is pedestrian.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:19 am to TheSexecutioner
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but JJ missed two throws that probably should have been TDs. Lee threw two interceptions that were absolutely ridiculous.
Against a relly really great D. You seem to be missing how good the team LSU was playing last night.
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Of those 4 plays, I would bet Luck/Jones/Wheeden make the two TD throws and don't throw the two interceptions
You act like the D didn't have something to do with this.
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but I am less confident after last night now that I see how far behind the offense really is.
What does far behind even mean. How is LSU's offense far behind?????
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:20 am to TheSexecutioner
I think your problem is that you are vastly underestimating how a great defense can shut down those "prolific" passing offenses.
Just off the top of my head, I can think of plenty of examples.
Remember 2005 when Bama played Texas Tech in the Cotton Bowl. TT was throwing for like 500 yards a game while scoring 50 points? Then they run into a solid defense in Alabama and lose 13-10.
Just off the top of my head, I can think of plenty of examples.
Remember 2005 when Bama played Texas Tech in the Cotton Bowl. TT was throwing for like 500 yards a game while scoring 50 points? Then they run into a solid defense in Alabama and lose 13-10.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:21 am to Scruffy
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So, why do you assume we can't do it against another prolific passing team when we beat the 6th ranked passing offense in the nation by a score of 47-21?
Because, its not like West Virginia's passing offense is what couldn't keep up. They fumbled the ball, don't have an offensive line to speak of, and are not even a top 25 team.
Other than the fact the Geno threw for about 400 yards on us, I don't see what similarities can be pulled between them and the top 5 teams I asked about.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:23 am to TheSexecutioner
What defenses other than LSU/BAMA cant LSU/BAMA offenses physically/athletically over match in NCAAF?
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:23 am to TheSexecutioner
LSU held a team that was scoring 40 points per game to 6. SIX. 6 points. At their place. Who else can hold Bama to six points? Nobody. And Bama's defense is better than advertised. So there won't be another team come close to stopping LSU, unless they play Bama again.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:27 am to TheSexecutioner
LSU vs Oklahoma 2003...enough said.
We had just enough offense to win and our defense shut down that high powered offense
We had just enough offense to win and our defense shut down that high powered offense
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:29 am to TheSexecutioner
great defenses beat good offenses nonsense."
It's demonstrably NOT nonsense. Both teams were averaging around 40 points per game before last night. Either team has both the defense and offense to beat any other team around.
It's demonstrably NOT nonsense. Both teams were averaging around 40 points per game before last night. Either team has both the defense and offense to beat any other team around.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:29 am to TheSexecutioner
Look, most people are misunderstanding my position. I am not saying that offense beats defense in college football. These were the points I was making:
1)LSU and Alabama both surprised people with anemic offenses.
2)If it a case of there being no plays open and the defense blowing no assignments that would be fine because the defensive dominance would carry over to games against these great offenses(OU, Stan)
3) It was quite clear watching the replay that both defenses(especially Bama) left some receivers WIDE open.
4)Therefor, one can conclude that if Bama or LSU were to give Andrew Luck those same chances, he would be able to score on us
5)Would our offense be able to keep pace with such a team, assuming they were able to score 20-30 points on us?
1)LSU and Alabama both surprised people with anemic offenses.
2)If it a case of there being no plays open and the defense blowing no assignments that would be fine because the defensive dominance would carry over to games against these great offenses(OU, Stan)
3) It was quite clear watching the replay that both defenses(especially Bama) left some receivers WIDE open.
4)Therefor, one can conclude that if Bama or LSU were to give Andrew Luck those same chances, he would be able to score on us
5)Would our offense be able to keep pace with such a team, assuming they were able to score 20-30 points on us?
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:30 am to graychef
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LSU held a team that was scoring 40 points per game to 6. SIX. 6 points. At their place. Who else can hold Bama to six points? Nobody.
Absolutely agreed. Bama doesn't have Landry Jones under center though. I'm not saying LSU wouldn't do a better job against these offenses than any team in the nation. Obviously, we have the best defense.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:30 am to Godfather1
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don't give me this "great defenses beat good offenses nonsense."
if you do not score, I can not lose.
This post was edited on 11/6/11 at 11:31 am
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:31 am to TheSexecutioner
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5)Would our offense be able to keep pace with such a team, assuming they were able to score 20-30 points on us?
I say good luck to Stanford's 4.9 running linebackers stopping Shepard, Beckham, or Peterson in coverage.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:31 am to TheSexecutioner
You do realize that something had to give between 40ppg averages on offense and top ranked defenses, right?
Again, top defenses showed why they are the best. No team in the country can compete against defenses like ours.
Again, top defenses showed why they are the best. No team in the country can compete against defenses like ours.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:34 am to TheSexecutioner
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5)Would our offense be able to keep pace with such a team, assuming they were able to score 20-30 points on us?
Pre-Bama, LSU averaged 40/game...yes. LSU would win by 10-20 points. Look at every other game this year.
This post was edited on 11/6/11 at 11:35 am
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