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re: Breakdown of Production By QB
Posted on 10/12/10 at 3:04 pm to OBUDan
Posted on 10/12/10 at 3:04 pm to OBUDan
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Historically, I've been wholly opposed to 2 QBs, but for our guys it seems to work in some strange way. I know a lot of people here are saying "With Lee we win every game by 10,000 points." But that remains to be seen.
Part of the reason for the success, in my eyes is that both are so different that it's hard to really develop a defensive gameplan. And by continuing to have JJ throw it 10-12 times a game (much to the bane of our fanbase), defenses can't just solely disregard that element of his game (whereas I think if you had Shep/Ware back there, they could).
Going forward, Lee should be the man. But I don't think JJ should be ignored either. He's almost like a nice change of pace back.
I agree with this
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Posted on 10/12/10 at 3:06 pm to Boh
Let's not forget, play calling was so conservative in the second half that we almost lost the game. We couldn't move the ball in the 4th with Jefferson. I'm all for change of pace, but I literally don't want him throwing outside of the redzone.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 3:08 pm to jackson123
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Let's not forget, play calling was so conservative in the second half that we almost lost the game. We couldn't move the ball in the 4th with Jefferson. I'm all for change of pace, but I literally don't want him throwing outside of the redzone.
I'm on board with this... the offense seems to be responding well to the situation for now, though.
FWIW, Jefferson had the 2nd highest red zone passing efficiency in the nation last year. He seems to have taken a step back this year, but maybe since the offense isn't so much on his shoulders, he can relax more.
Or maybe I'm being a posi-tiger in thinking we can realistically go undefeated now
Posted on 10/12/10 at 3:08 pm to OBUDan
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However, acting like the offense was an abortion with Jefferson at the helm is truly a misnomer.
I have never seen anyone say that the offense was an abortion with Jefferson in the Florida game.
Link?
Posted on 10/12/10 at 3:08 pm to OBUDan
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And by continuing to have JJ throw it 10-12 times a game (much to the bane of our fanbase)
I really wish they could figure out what's wrong with his passing. he was never the best, but post-UNC he's been atrocious. even throws he used to make he's missing badly (see the fade to TT vs Vandy that got picked in the end zone).
Posted on 10/12/10 at 3:12 pm to OBUDan
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Only one major miscue (JJ's interception)
If you watch the replay, JJ was hit as he threw. Not entirely his fault.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 3:12 pm to jackson123
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We couldn't move the ball in the 4th with Jefferson.
Well, Lee and JJ had a drive each before the final drive.
Lee's Drive in the 4th:
3 plays, 8 yards, 2:09
JJ's drive in the 4th:
6 plays, 33 yards, 2:42
We also had another drive started by Lee in the 3rd and finished by JJ in the 4th, that I think we all thought sealed it for us.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 3:12 pm to OBUDan
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Part of the reason for the success, in my eyes is that both are so different that it's hard to really develop a defensive gameplan.
The reason for the offense's success is when Lee leads drives, period.
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And by continuing to have JJ throw it 10-12 times a game (much to the bane of our fanbase), defenses can't just solely disregard that element of his game (whereas I think if you had Shep/Ware back there, they could).
How many times did McFadden throw out of the Wildcat? Ronnie Brown? Ingram/Richardson at Alabama?
The Wildcat isn't difficult to stop because of the threat to throw. The Wildcat is difficult to stop because of the numbers advantage you get blocking playside and because of the unbalanced line (in a true Wildcat). Ware would be just as effective if not moreso running the Wildcat.
Like you said, each QB has his place. Lee's place is starting every single drive. He is the only QB on our team who has proven that he can sustain drives. If you wanna bring in Jefferson in goalline situations, I'm fine with that. I'd rather a Wildcat package with Ware but could live with it with Jefferson.
He's getting better with his reads although I still thought he missed a couple chances to pull it, but they coulda been designed gives off zone-read action.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 3:13 pm to BobBoucher
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I see no problem with testing the spread option with JJ to see if a defense can stop it, but we need to get Lee some work before Auburn. That D is good. Their rushing D is almost as good as ours, only allowing 15 more yards per game.
Their passing defense however is not very good. They are ranked 70th.
The AU defense is not that good if you've watched them. Not nearly as good as UF. The rushing yards would be higher against them if teams weren't so successful throwing on them. The LSU defense would shut Kentucky down along the lines of MSU and Vandy IMO. Toliver, Randle and Peterson should have a field day against AU, particularly with Lee in the game. Containing the rushing yards of Newton,(less than 100) will be the key for LSU because the rush will be in his face all night, forcing him to tuck and run. It should be a great game but other than QB, AU is not nearly as talented as LSU IMO.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 3:13 pm to OBUDan
Lee has the intangibles that Jefferson doesn't. He's more confident, and the passing game is obviously more effective.
The cringe factor is absent also. A couple of years ago, every time Lee threw a pass, I cringed. Not so now. He has restored my confidence in the offense's ability, and I bet the team feels that also.
The cringe factor is absent also. A couple of years ago, every time Lee threw a pass, I cringed. Not so now. He has restored my confidence in the offense's ability, and I bet the team feels that also.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 3:13 pm to wilceaux
Posted on 10/12/10 at 3:14 pm to OBUDan
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the offense actually functioned better while JJ was in at QB. More yards per play, better rushing etc.
Nice posts, but your numbers don't bear out your opening statement!
Did you mean Lee instead of JJ? And why don't you include turnovers in production?
Posted on 10/12/10 at 3:15 pm to OBUDan
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Last week, despite some misconceptions, the offense actually functioned better while JJ was in at QB. More yards per play, better rushing etc.
Please fix your opening statement. It may mislead people to believe that you actually believe that the offense was better with JJ than JL last week. Obviously the rest of your post says otherwise.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 3:16 pm to OBUDan
bad link
Posted on 10/12/10 at 3:16 pm to Bayou Sam
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Did you mean Lee instead of JJ?
I think he was referring to last week's thread on QB production, bro. JJ had more yards/play against Tenn while Lee had more yards/play at Fla
Posted on 10/12/10 at 3:16 pm to FootballNostradamus
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How many times did McFadden throw out of the Wildcat? Ronnie Brown? Ingram/Richardson at Alabama?
Do any of those guys play on this team?
I love Shep, but I'm sorry, we don't have anyone nearly as dynamic as those 4 guys right now.
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The Wildcat is difficult to stop because of the numbers advantage you get blocking playside and because of the unbalanced line (in a true Wildcat). Ware would be just as effective if not moreso running the Wildcat.
Sure, but we don't run the Wildcat. People saying JJ is our "Wildcat" QB don't know what they are talking about. JJ is lining up in a classic shotgun spread offense and creating a rushing attack out of it.
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He's getting better with his reads although I still thought he missed a couple chances to pull it, but they coulda been designed gives off zone-read action.
Lee or JJ?
I haven't rewatched the game yet (about to), but I felt like there were 2 or 3 runs that JJ should have kept it but gave it off and it ended up getting stuff. That really irked me.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 3:17 pm to OBUDan
JJ is riding JL's coat tail on this one no matter how you look at it.I dont have any problem with jj starting ,playing or whatever but give credit where credit is due
Posted on 10/12/10 at 3:18 pm to OBUDan
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Last week, despite some misconceptions, the offense actually functioned better while JJ was in at QB. More yards per play, better rushing etc.
Without looking Id guess this was due to the 1 long run Jefferson had.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 3:18 pm to Bayou Sam
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Did you mean Lee instead of JJ? And why don't you include turnovers in production?
Sorry, should included turnovers.
I'll edit.
And that sentence meant last week as in two weeks ago.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 3:18 pm to Boh
Ok that makes sense -- I remember the thread last week. He should fix his opening statement though, as another poster said.
"Against Tenn" would be clearer.
"Against Tenn" would be clearer.
This post was edited on 10/12/10 at 3:19 pm
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