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re: Cameron: Plays are a team call
Posted on 8/12/13 at 1:17 pm to MOT
Posted on 8/12/13 at 1:17 pm to MOT
quote:That's a prime example of 'kill the patient, but
But I think Miles put the reins on the passing game in order to minimize the risk of the bad offense....I don't think him wanting to go conservative was the reason it was bad.
treat the disease' syndrome.
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Posted on 8/12/13 at 1:17 pm to CourseyCorridor
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Cameron says plays are his to call, but he wants Miles' input:
It is because of shite like this why I stay away from the Rant.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 1:17 pm to CourseyCorridor
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I think the defenses the last three years have been exceptional and that is a GOOD reason for the offense to be more conservative at times
I completely agree with this. LSU has had a championship caliber defense each year Chavis has been here, with the exception of 09 - which was still a solid D. We just need a functional passing attack that can convert 3rd downs and keep defenses from stacking the box. That's it. This offense can be very dangerous if we can figure out ways to keep safeties and LBs in coverage.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 1:18 pm to CourseyCorridor
It's insane to me that a top 5 program in the country can have one of the most inept play calling the last four years.
Even crazier is how many games the defense and special teams have bailed the offense out.
LSU shouldn't be going three and out 8 times in a row in games.
Not with the amount of talent they have brought in.
Even crazier is how many games the defense and special teams have bailed the offense out.
LSU shouldn't be going three and out 8 times in a row in games.
Not with the amount of talent they have brought in.
This post was edited on 8/12/13 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 8/12/13 at 1:20 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:
That's a prime example of 'kill the patient, but
treat the disease' syndrome
And 08 (one of the bad offense years according to your 5 year time frame) is a prime example of why you don't keep winging the ball around if you suck at it.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 1:25 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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This literally has happened
You were on the headphones also?
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The one consistent component to all of that is Les Miles. You do the math.
It's very convenient that you left out the years we set records offensively, when the hc was, by coincidence, Les Miles also. Seems to me the common denominator is poor qb play. And even during those years. Les found a way to still not only get us to winning seasons but also some bowl wins, a SEC title and NC game appearance.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 1:35 pm to Choupique19
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Les Miles hired John Chavis and said, "It's your defense, you run it."
YOU were there when he said it?
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Meanwhile on offense, Les has curled up into the fetal position and only asks that the offense doesn't turn the ball over so that the defense can win the game for us
YOU are in on planning sessions?
YOU weren't were you? YOU are just rattling your keyboard pretending to know something which YOU obviously don't.
YOU really don't know shite about what goes on, do YOU?
Posted on 8/12/13 at 1:35 pm to CourseyCorridor
Posted on 8/12/13 at 1:39 pm to CourseyCorridor
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I thought they threw it around a bit in 08, but they threw it to the wrong team alot.
In 09, Chavis came in and they started improving on defense.
Well, the defense at LSU very good to great every season since 2003 except for 2008. My point is that "Chavis started improving the defense in '09" is a bit misleading.
quote:Thanks to our insistence on playing #9, our offense in 2010 was atrocious. NFL talent all on the field, yet very pedestrian results.
By 2010, defense was dominant and offense started playing to that strength
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I think the defenses the last three years have been exceptional and that is a GOOD reason for the offense to be more conservative at times.
I have no problem with conservative, but there is a difference in conservative and predictable and basic.
I hate to bring this name up, but this is just too great of an example to let it slide. No one has ever accused Nick Saban of having a high-powered offense, but he sure did go into 1/9/12 with a gameplan of letting his quarterback make plays for the offense. He learned that he couldn't just wear LSU's defense out. He adjusted, and Bama won the championship. Watch Alabama play and you will see a team that uses their quarterback to take advantage of the opportunites given, while still being conservative in nature.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 1:39 pm to CourseyCorridor
HC Input. no problem.
HC override for more option short side plays. Problem.
HC override for more option short side plays. Problem.
This post was edited on 8/12/13 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 8/12/13 at 1:41 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
Posted on 8/12/13 at 1:44 pm to Choupique19
quote:
Choupique19
Don't think I have a problem with anything you posted here.
Do you think, as others have suggested, Les will respect Cam enough to concede to his judgement more than he has in the last five years?
Posted on 8/12/13 at 1:47 pm to Gray Tiger
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In a 50-minute interview, Crowton said bluntly that "No, it wasn't my offense" at LSU and that it would be unfair to make assessments based soley on those four years.
"Were there parts of that offense that were mine? Yeah. The philosophy that Coach Miles had was to be good on defense, be good on special teams and win it in the fourth quarter," Crowton said. "We won a lot of games in the fourth quarter. We beat Auburn twice in the fourth quarter. What it did is it shortened the game. We didn't have a lot of offensive plays. When you look statistically, it wasn't great, but that wasn't our goal. Our goal was to win games. We won 40 in four years."
I'm not knighting for Crowton, as much as I'm pointing out that Les Miles wants to sit on the ball on offense, play field postion, and then hope that the Honey Badger scores a touchdown so that LSU wins.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 1:50 pm to Gray Tiger
quote:lol at losers who are mad at xbox...
This is shocking news to all the X-Box coaches out there who have no clue as to how a big time program actually works. Their little wonderland of some super OC riding in on a white unicorn to save the LSU offense form Les Miles just got shattered by reality.
you've heard it from Gray Tiger 1st, Offensive Coordinator's can't affect the offense
Posted on 8/12/13 at 1:53 pm to CourseyCorridor
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Do you think, as others have suggested, Les will respect Cam enough to concede to his judgement more than he has in the last five years?
I really think so. Those two go way back. I actually believe (from watching the games) that Les gave Gary Crowton mostly free reign of the offense when he first arrived. Was there some tinkering, sure, but not a total philosophy overhaul. However, Crowton abused that privilege and Les came in with the overhaul in 2009. LSU literally had 2 seperate offensive schemes. It was brutal.
Back to the question, I do think that Les will allow Cam to have more autonomy with the offense.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 1:54 pm to CourseyCorridor
Miles has been in the SEC for 8 years. Cameron hasnt. He would be dumb not to have Les' input.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 1:56 pm to uway
quote:You're really a horrible troll.
Big-time coaches promote Oline coaches to Offensive Coordinator and then dictate the game plan to them? That happens everywhere?
Posted on 8/12/13 at 1:59 pm to Gray Tiger
quote:die.
Like on the Ravens?
Posted on 8/12/13 at 1:59 pm to Choupique19
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Watch Alabama play and you will see a team that uses their quarterback to take advantage of the opportunites given, while still being conservative in nature.
Well we beat them. By using our qb to run the option. Les is the one that made changes the first go around and won. Les took advantages of the opportunities given. Saban took advantage of his mulligan.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:01 pm to madddoggydawg
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you've heard it from Gray Tiger 1st, Offensive Coordinator's can't affect the offense
Direct Quote please.
Dude if you are going to troll, at least do it right.
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