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re: Chad Jones at linebacker
Posted on 8/11/08 at 1:05 pm to KC Tiger
Posted on 8/11/08 at 1:05 pm to KC Tiger
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I think I am the only guy on this board that thinks this is a good idea. I know everybody says CJ is a natural safety and that we shouldn't take him out of this position, but I think he could be involved in more plays as a linebacker. I also think he could easily play at 230 lbs and be lightning fast. Additionally, I think there is a move to make defenses faster to counter the new up tempo offenses (i.e. Texas and Auburn over the last decade).
I think think this is a good idea.
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Posted on 8/11/08 at 1:05 pm to moneyg
This is the wave of the future. To stop the spread you need fast agile linebackers. Large slow LB are gonna be a thing of the past!
Posted on 8/11/08 at 1:05 pm to moneyg
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How much do you think Highsmith weighed? It was likely well under 220.
I'm not saying I'd want Jones at LB, but your point about our LBs is incorrect as recently as last year.
It's painfully obvious you didn't read the rest of the thread, money.
Posted on 8/11/08 at 1:07 pm to sabbertooth
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Large slow LB are gonna be a thing of the past!
Beckwith, Sheppard, and Riley are not exactly large or slow. Beckwith and Sheppard are like 235 and Riley is pushing 240. That's still smallish compared to where they would need to be to play in the NFL. All three of those guys are likely in the 4.5-4.65 range.
This post was edited on 8/11/08 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 8/11/08 at 1:11 pm to moneyg
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but then again, I'm an idiot.
At least you got that part right..
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what is he supposed to do to the QB when/if he gets there?
Lets see, cause the QB to alter his play? knock the ball out, disrupt the QB to give time for other DLine to make a play.. Doesn't always have to tackle. Sorry you are too busy to flame and not come up with possibilities yourself...its not really that hard..really.
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First, why the anger at someone simply because they expressed an opinion that you disagree with (one that may prove to be correct)?
KC, get used to it. Alot of flamers on these boards that think they know it all..
This post was edited on 8/11/08 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 8/11/08 at 1:11 pm to Suntiger
Sounds like he's going to be the "Drop Linebacker".
Posted on 8/11/08 at 1:13 pm to Stagg8
he is about the same size as Uhrlacher was in college and Jones is even faster than BU
as we all know Uhrlacher played safety/LB and was a first round draft pick
Jones reminds me of the old Cincy Bengals Safety David Fulcher
as we all know Uhrlacher played safety/LB and was a first round draft pick
Jones reminds me of the old Cincy Bengals Safety David Fulcher
Posted on 8/11/08 at 1:21 pm to Tigerholic
Just let him play every down somehow. 
Posted on 8/11/08 at 1:22 pm to Achee
Miles said any defensive snap without CJ on the field is a mistake
Posted on 8/11/08 at 1:24 pm to KC Tiger
speed is very important for a linebacker but it's not one of the most important things. in order to get to the qb or running backs you first have to get through what people call the big uglys. men that are 300+lbs.now iam not saying cj is not strong. he is not built for the postion at linebacker, he has speed to play there,but so does alot of other people. why not put kw,cs there fast and big,because you need to be built for it.
Posted on 8/11/08 at 1:25 pm to supatigah
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as we all know Uhrlacher played safety/LB and was a first round draft pick
Jones is also not 6'4" to add as much bulk... neither is he as strong as Urlacher was in college. Urlacher also didn't have the speed or hips to play safety in the NFL. 2 completely different scenarios if you ask me, Supa.
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Jones reminds me of the old Cincy Bengals Safety David Fulcher
Fulcher wishes he was as fast as Jones. Jones has a little Ronnie Lott in him (although I honestly think he's more athletically gifted).
Posted on 8/11/08 at 1:25 pm to Stagg8
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It's painfully obvious you didn't read the rest of the thread, money.
You are correct that I hadn't read the entire thread when I responded.
However, after reading your responses, I still think you are making a poor argument.
If you accept the premise that a.) Coleman will start ahead of Jones and b.) that Jones can be effective playing LB in some situations, then I'm having a tough time figuring out why you wouldn't want him playing LB. The fact that he's physically better suited to play Safety is irrelevant.
Now, if you are making the point that he's better than Coleman and should start over Coleman, that would be a fair argument (one that I'd agree with BTW). But, a rover position is not very new to college football. Georgia has been using it for years. Jones could be effective in that role IMO.
Posted on 8/11/08 at 1:28 pm to Stagg8
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Your point was that he has the size to play linebacker. He doesn't. Comparing him to Ali is a moot point because Ali was very undersized. Was he a good linebacker? Yes, absolutely. But Ali didn't project to play safety in the NFL. Chad Jones has the potential to be a first round pick, and a high first round pick at that... as a safety. Why would you put on pointless weight to make him a weak linebacker when he's already a stud safety?
Keith Bulluck at Syracuse was a Strong Safety projected to go in the first round also at safety. He was 6'3" 225 in college and switched to linebacker. Now he is one of the best current linebackers in the NFL and weighs 235. CJ just needs to add 5-10 lbs and he will be one hell of a LB and still get selected in the first round.
Posted on 8/11/08 at 1:30 pm to moneyg
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You are correct that I hadn't read the entire thread when I responded.
However, after reading your responses, I still think you are making a poor argument.
If you accept the premise that a.) Coleman will start ahead of Jones and b.) that Jones can be effective playing LB in some situations, then I'm having a tough time figuring out why you wouldn't want him playing LB. The fact that he's physically better suited to play Safety is irrelevant.
Now, if you are making the point that he's better than Coleman and should start over Coleman, that would be a fair argument (one that I'd agree with BTW). But, a rover position is not very new to college football. Georgia has been using it for years. Jones could be effective in that role IMO.
1.) The safety spots in LSU's defense are interchangeable. Both guys need to be able to play the "free" and "strong" positions. Therefore Chad Jones could easily be in a three-man rotation with Curtis Taylor and Harry Coleman at both positions and still be in on the majority of the plays.
2.) Chad Jones does not have the strength to play LB at the next level. Putting useless weight on him now will do nothing but hurt him in the NFL Draft. He is a prototypical NFL safety. If he's allowed to play safety for the next 2 to 3 years he could be a high first-round draft pick.
3.) If you're saying he's going to play the "rover" position, then you're making my argument for me. It's not linebacker. A rover is basically a safety playing nickelback which is my argument for what the coaches meant in the first place (also clamdip's opinion if I remember correctly).
Posted on 8/11/08 at 1:30 pm to MemphisTiger
Jones will be a 'drop back' linebacker, sort of.
That is one fast dude!
Posted on 8/11/08 at 1:31 pm to MemphisTiger
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Keith Bulluck at Syracuse was a Strong Safety projected to go in the first round also at safety.
Keith Bulluck is in the same boat as Urlacher. He's taller, stronger, and doesn't have nearly the hips or ballskills (ETA: or speed for that matter) of Chad Jones.
ETA: Keith Bulluck was also not projected to play safety in the NFL. He was projected to be an OLB along with Arrington and Peterson (in the same draft class I believe).
This post was edited on 8/11/08 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 8/11/08 at 1:40 pm to Stagg8
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1.) The safety spots in LSU's defense are interchangeable. Both guys need to be able to play the "free" and "strong" positions. Therefore Chad Jones could easily be in a three-man rotation with Curtis Taylor and Harry Coleman at both positions and still be in on the majority of the plays.
I don't see how stating that the 2 safety positions are interchangeable furthers your point.
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2.) Chad Jones does not have the strength to play LB at the next level. Putting useless weight on him now will do nothing but hurt him in the NFL Draft. He is a prototypical NFL safety. If he's allowed to play safety for the next 2 to 3 years he could be a high first-round draft pick.
I don't think anyone is advocating him bulking up. In fact, remember that your argument is that he's too light to play LB. So obviously, the assumption is that he'd play it at between 215-225.
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3.) If you're saying he's going to play the "rover" position, then you're making my argument for me. It's not linebacker. A rover is basically a safety playing nickelback which is my argument for what the coaches meant in the first place (also clamdip's opinion if I remember correctly).
Semantics. Some refer to the rover position as more of a LB because the rover is either the 3rd LB or the 3rd safety. It's not really a nickel package because some teams run this as their base package against 2 WRs.
A rover type position is what most are suggesting for Jones IMO.
Posted on 8/11/08 at 1:41 pm to Stagg8
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He's taller, stronger
HE's not taller, their the same size. Also, why does everyone on this board seem to know how strong or not strong someone is? Are ya'll all in the locker room, on the field, or even a professional scout? This whole strength argument everyone keeps pulling as a bases to judge different players is bullshite, YOU DON'T KNOW!
Posted on 8/11/08 at 1:44 pm to moneyg
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I don't see how stating that the 2 safety positions are interchangeable furthers your point.
Dude. I said that means he could be on the 2-deep behind both Taylor and Coleman. Meaning he could be in a rotation with both of them... = mucho playing time.
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I don't think anyone is advocating him bulking up.
Well, you mean, except for everyone else on this thread talking about moving him to linebacker.
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So obviously, the assumption is that he'd play it at between 215-225.
No the assumption was that he would still be the lightest LB on the squad even if he got up to 230 (which was the arbitrary number everyone else on the thread came up with).
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A rover type position is what most are suggesting for Jones IMO.
No. It's what the coaches meant, but everyone else is advocating him bulking up to become a linebacker (with the exception of clamdip as I said earlier).
Basically... if what you mean is that Chad Jones should not add any weight to his frame and play the "rover position" which is a safety playing nickelback... then you and I are saying the same exact thing. My major point is that he will be a first round draft choice as a safety. Why mess with that?
Posted on 8/11/08 at 1:46 pm to moneyg
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7 Ali Highsmith LB 6-1 223 Sr. 4L Miami, Fla. (Central HS) 4.96 40
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3 Chad Jones S 6-3 215 So. 1L Baton Rouge, La. (Southern Lab HS) 4.5 40
2 inches taller and only 8 lbs difference from LSUsports.net roster. The speed is not even close. If it gets him on the field more I am all for it.
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