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re: Coaching blunders in LSU history (current staff excluded)...
Posted on 3/29/10 at 1:32 pm to Nuts4LSU
Posted on 3/29/10 at 1:32 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Well, we should probably start by explaining to you what a defensive back is, since you apparently didn't recognize the six we had out there on that long pass by Arkansas in 2002
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Those weren't coaching blunders,
Arkansas couldn't get off long pass plays that whole game until we didn't rush anyone and Jones had all day to throw those two passes.
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Now, if we had called an all-out 11-man blitz on those plays and a receiver got behind us and caught a pass with no one back there, that might be a coaching blunder.
No one said we had to call an all out blitz but we didn't rush anyone which was completely different from the first 3 quarters and most of the 4th. All of the sudden no pressure two plays 81 yards. Maybe we should have sent somebody.
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Posted on 3/29/10 at 1:34 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Well, we should probably start by explaining to you what a defensive back is, since you apparently didn't recognize the six we had out there on that long pass by Arkansas in 2002
Let's all watch Arky 2002:
LINK
This post was edited on 3/29/10 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 3/29/10 at 1:35 pm to Nuts4LSU
2004 LSU vs Auburn.
Randall takes us down the field on the first drive and we easily score. Next drive, he takes Randall out and puts Jamarcus in. There was no need for it. The rhythm was gone.
Randall takes us down the field on the first drive and we easily score. Next drive, he takes Randall out and puts Jamarcus in. There was no need for it. The rhythm was gone.
Posted on 3/29/10 at 1:37 pm to Choctaw
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taking up for Saban and blaming the players for what may be one of the most embarrassing LOSSES in LSU history
It was absolutely Saban's fault that the team was so lethargic and lifeless for that game with UAB. Likewise with the Iowa game, when he basically ignored preparation of the team while he worked out his deal with the Dolphins. Both of those losses resulted from poor coaching during the week(s) leading up to the game, but not coaching blunders during the game.
But I knew you and Sammich could never resist the opportunity to turn a thread that explicitly excludes the current staff for the stated purpose of keeping it from being a Miles debate, into another of your idiotic Miles defenses.
Both of you are really pathetic. Since you can't do it on your own, let me help you. Assume that, in the original post, I started it off by saying that Miles is God and Saban is a wriggling mass of jelly on the floor, although I don't know why it should be necessary to say that when their results so clearly make the point for you.
Posted on 3/29/10 at 1:39 pm to Nuts4LSU
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But I knew you and Sammich could never resist the opportunity to turn a thread that explicitly excludes the current staff for the stated purpose of keeping it from being a Miles debate, into another of your idiotic Miles defenses.
Both of you are really pathetic. Since you can't do it on your own, let me help you. Assume that, in the original post, I started it off by saying that Miles is God and Saban is a wriggling mass of jelly on the floor, although I don't know why it should be necessary to say that when their results so clearly make the point for you.
My bad....i didn't mean to hurt your feelings. I won't bring up Miles again. I apologize.
Posted on 3/29/10 at 1:40 pm to Nuts4LSU
Thanks, Nuts, for this trip down Painful Memory Lane. My own nomination takes a broader view than any particluar game and has been a source of irritation to me for 4 decades. Now Cholly Mac is rightly revered by the LSU Nation, but his policy of playing the 2 quarterback system caused Bert Jones (2nd pick of the 1st round of the NFL draft) to spend half of his career on the bench. That was a blunder that just kept on blundering. It drove those of us in Deaf Valley -- as we called it in those days -- truly nuts, Nuts. 
Posted on 3/29/10 at 1:40 pm to Choctaw
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I do find it interesting though that you're taking up for Saban and blaming the players for what may be one of the most embarrassing LOSSES in LSU history
Which game, UAB? I didn't blame anyone before you made this post. UAB was no where near one of the most embarrassing loses.
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but LSU BEATS La Tech (but not by enough points i guess) and it's all Miles' fault
I can't help it if you can't seem to understand that the state of the LSU football program in 2009 is vastly different than waht it was in 2000. In 2000 LSU had 3 wiining seasons in 11 years, in 2009 LSU had won 2 National Titles in 6 years. In 2000 losing to UAB sucked, but since we beat UT a week or 2 later, beat Bama at home later that year for the first time in over 30 years, went on to have our 4th winning year in 12, won a bowl and finsished ranked for only the 3 rd time since 1987. Its notthat big of a deal.
In 2009 we were 2 years removed from a NC, which we followed up with the worst season of any defending champ in some time. We went 3-5 in the SEC, needed a miricle to beat Troy. Then in 2009 we struggled with bad Vandy and MSU teams, along with La Tech. see the difference?
Posted on 3/29/10 at 1:43 pm to Nuts4LSU
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A 50 yard pass is MUCH more likely to occur when you're NOT in the prevent than when it is. If all that can beat you is a 50-yard pass, the prevent is the right call.
It can still fail to work, though.
You can still send some extra pressure and keep 4 or 5 guys deep yo can't give a quarterback that much time. And my beef isn't really with the first 50 yard pass with no pressure in his face. But for it to happen again right after that for a 31 yard pass for a touchdown. An adjustment should have been made to try and limit Jones time to throw.
Posted on 3/29/10 at 1:43 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Just inside Auburn territory, we faced third-and-2. The options were a Collins run (27 carries, 237 yards to that point), a Mealey run (144 yards on about 15 carries to that point) or a Tyler pass (5 for about 20 for 115 yards with two interceptions to that point). So, naturally, we chose the Tyler pass. It was incomplete
I'm pretty sure Tyler rolled out to the left on a run/pass option and decided to try for the pass. I think he may have been able to pick up the 2 on the play, but ever since then when it's 3rd and 2 I think of that play.
Posted on 3/29/10 at 1:43 pm to Sammich
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Let's all watch Arky 2002:
So, we rushed three, had EIGHT dropped back into coverage, and you think we should have had fewer people back in coverage to prevent the 50-yard pass?
Posted on 3/29/10 at 1:44 pm to Nuts4LSU
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It was absolutely Saban's fault that the team was so lethargic and lifeless for that game with UAB. Likewise with the Iowa game
exactly, also Saban should not have even coached the Iowa game. My only guess as to why they let him is they didn't want to name an interim coach (Fisher) for fear they might not be able to keep him as an assistant if they didn't name him HC afterward.
Posted on 3/29/10 at 1:45 pm to Sammich
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You think this is good Defense?
i can't see the link, but assuming its a prevent at the end of one of the 2 games in question, this shows once again you don't understand context.
Posted on 3/29/10 at 1:46 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Which game, UAB? I didn't blame anyone before you made this post. UAB was no where near one of the most embarrassing loses.
My bad...i got yours and Nuts posts mixed up. But the loss to UAB is definitely one of the most embarrassing....i don't care what the state of the team is. I remember the next week against UT i was walking past the UT fan bus and a 70 year old woman had a sign against the window that said "Remember UAB". I've never been so mad at a senior citizen in my life.
Posted on 3/29/10 at 1:49 pm to Choctaw
Loss to Iowa was inexcusable. I can think of other embarrassments but none as big a blunder.
Until this year, but we are excluding current staff.
Most embarrassing would be losses to Miami-Ohio and UAB. Worst blunder, end of the Iowa game. Inexcusable.
Until this year, but we are excluding current staff.
Most embarrassing would be losses to Miami-Ohio and UAB. Worst blunder, end of the Iowa game. Inexcusable.
Posted on 3/29/10 at 1:50 pm to fidebo69
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a blunder that ruined an entire season occurred in the 2002 florida game won at the swamp 36 to 7.
lsu destroying the gators and mauck goes down with a fourth quarter season ending injury. lsu loses 4 of next 7 games after starting out 5 and 1.
a similar blunder (leaving starters in when the game is over), except this time it ruined a player's pro career:
BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) - LSU center Ben Wilkerson will miss the remainder of the 2004 season with a ruptured tendon in his left knee.
Wilkerson was injured in the fourth quarter of LSU's 24-7 win over Vanderbilt on Saturday.
Ben Wilkerson - Wilkerson took over the starting center job midway through his true freshman season. As a senior, Wilkerson won the Rimington trophy as the nation's best center.
Posted on 3/29/10 at 1:51 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Tennessee 2005 - Monday night!
Posted on 3/29/10 at 1:51 pm to Sammich
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Let's all watch Arky 2002:
See 3 guys rushing on 50 yard pass and 4 on game winning pass though 2 looked like they were looking for a run
Posted on 3/29/10 at 1:55 pm to Nuts4LSU
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1994(?) vs. Texas A&M(?) (Hallman): Having decided before the game that we wanted to be on defense to start the game, we win the toss, but instead of deferring we exercise our option...to kick off. A&M then has the option in the second half and they choose to receive, so we kick off to start both halves.
This also happened against Miss. State during the Saban era. Can't remember which year. 11AM JP game at home.
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