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re: Column: The case for Jarrett Lee
Posted on 10/19/09 at 3:04 pm to Carl Dubois
Posted on 10/19/09 at 3:04 pm to Carl Dubois
I think the question to consider, if Miles is debating whether or not to give Jarrett Lee more playing time, is what would Jarrett Lee add to the Tiger offense? Also, he should consider what are the potential risks?
Benefits:
* Giving JL more playing time will create a sense of competition at QB. Jordan Jefferson has sparks of brilliance but the threat of competition would push him to try to prove himself. Same for Lee in that he'll want to do better to prove that he deserves another chance.
* Opposing defenses will have to prepare for the style of two QBs. This adds an element of unpredictability that you didn't have before. I think that the Tigers have been pretty predictable these first 6 games. Unpredictability is a good thing.
* JJ needs JL to have game experience so that JL can give him good feedback on game management errors and suggestions for improvements. This is a relationship in which two heads are always better than one.
Costs (Risks):
* JJ may feel that confidence in him as a QB is not there. QBs need to know that they can make mistakes. Otherwise, they will not take the risks necessary to make the big plays.
* JL may just throw another pick 6. (But who wouldn't agree that he was trying to make things happen in some difficult circumstances?)
Feel free to add to the potential benefits and costs, but I think the upside of the benefits far outweighs the downside of the risks.
P.S. Why, why, why isn't Crowton allowing Russell Shepherd to throw the ball? Makes no sense and makes the possible play range very predictable (even though RS seems to somehow get good yardage anyway).
Benefits:
* Giving JL more playing time will create a sense of competition at QB. Jordan Jefferson has sparks of brilliance but the threat of competition would push him to try to prove himself. Same for Lee in that he'll want to do better to prove that he deserves another chance.
* Opposing defenses will have to prepare for the style of two QBs. This adds an element of unpredictability that you didn't have before. I think that the Tigers have been pretty predictable these first 6 games. Unpredictability is a good thing.
* JJ needs JL to have game experience so that JL can give him good feedback on game management errors and suggestions for improvements. This is a relationship in which two heads are always better than one.
Costs (Risks):
* JJ may feel that confidence in him as a QB is not there. QBs need to know that they can make mistakes. Otherwise, they will not take the risks necessary to make the big plays.
* JL may just throw another pick 6. (But who wouldn't agree that he was trying to make things happen in some difficult circumstances?)
Feel free to add to the potential benefits and costs, but I think the upside of the benefits far outweighs the downside of the risks.
P.S. Why, why, why isn't Crowton allowing Russell Shepherd to throw the ball? Makes no sense and makes the possible play range very predictable (even though RS seems to somehow get good yardage anyway).
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Posted on 10/19/09 at 3:11 pm to Carl Dubois
very very good post..but i'm sorry it's too late.
we had to live through all of lee's excruciatingly miserable inexcusable unforgivable "growing pains" last year. now we're living through jordan jefferson's frustrating "coming of age" games.
i don't know about you, but i can mildly tolerate living with losing to number 1 in nation in the fashion we did. don't forget it was a game where the only touchdown even scored was due to a bogus riley cooper garbage pass interference missed call.
so what do you do if your les? put in lee then just merely hope is growing pains are over now?? and when there not? put in jefferson and hope his are over??...theres a name people use for that, its called the cleveland browns (most recently).
im sorry, but it's too late.
you have to stick with jordan now. i had this exact same discussion about jamarcus years ago. their coming of age games pail in comparsion to lee's.
we had to live through all of lee's excruciatingly miserable inexcusable unforgivable "growing pains" last year. now we're living through jordan jefferson's frustrating "coming of age" games.
i don't know about you, but i can mildly tolerate living with losing to number 1 in nation in the fashion we did. don't forget it was a game where the only touchdown even scored was due to a bogus riley cooper garbage pass interference missed call.
so what do you do if your les? put in lee then just merely hope is growing pains are over now?? and when there not? put in jefferson and hope his are over??...theres a name people use for that, its called the cleveland browns (most recently).
im sorry, but it's too late.
you have to stick with jordan now. i had this exact same discussion about jamarcus years ago. their coming of age games pail in comparsion to lee's.
Posted on 10/19/09 at 3:35 pm to neweuquol
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You can't deny that JR is the worst #1 pick in history. Even worse than Ryan Leaf for where he was selected.
Sure I can.
Posted on 10/19/09 at 3:44 pm to Carl Dubois
I'm not advocating replacement of Jordan Jefferson with Jarrett Lee. I am suggesting that increasing Jarrett Lee's playing time may push Jordan Jefferson toward performing like the kind of QB that we saw in the bowl game last year. And it will give him a comrade-in-arms who can advise him and help him improve his game.
Posted on 10/19/09 at 4:00 pm to Carl Dubois
I don't think Lee is a better option than Jefferson. After all, playing Lee won't fix the O-line. If Russell Shepard were ready, maybe it would be worth giving him a shot, but the coaches haven't even let him pass yet (so either he's not ready, or they need to start letting him throw the ball some to see where he is).
Posted on 10/19/09 at 4:15 pm to Carl Dubois
Couple of things. First; well-written piece Carl. Second; I have felt JJ and the team would benefit from him observing the offense for 2 or 3 series per game since Seattle. Lee's quick-release would negate some of the so-called porous O-line play. At least half the sacks this year should be layed squarely on JJ's shoulders. Shepard's talents have been all but wasted to this point. Third; the lack of utilizing the other two quarterback's talents speaks volumns about the percieved fear Miles and Crowton are displaying. I think hitting Florida with Lee and Shepard could have made the difference in that game. Those who only watched on t.v. could often not see that LSU had receivers open downfield; not open by JJ's standards but open enough for the rifle-armed Texan to get the completion. And that ears-pinned-back pass rush would have to slow down a bit if Mr. Shepard is in that shot-gun. Fourth; Jamarcus has struggled no doubt, and needs to commit himself to a stronger work ethic regardless of how porous his o-line is. However, I believe he's already won more games in his brief career than Mr. Leaf.
Posted on 10/19/09 at 4:42 pm to Carl Dubois
This discussion is awesome.
Reading The Chat Reel with Randy Rosetta today (LINK one gets the impression that Miles has no intention of playing Lee, which might make this whole conversation a moot point.
We'll see what happens this Saturday. If Jefferson performs well, then this whole discussion will probably fade away. If he does poorly, well, let's just hope that he doesn't duck any more interviews.
Reading The Chat Reel with Randy Rosetta today (LINK one gets the impression that Miles has no intention of playing Lee, which might make this whole conversation a moot point.
We'll see what happens this Saturday. If Jefferson performs well, then this whole discussion will probably fade away. If he does poorly, well, let's just hope that he doesn't duck any more interviews.
Posted on 10/19/09 at 4:45 pm to TigerSquirrel
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We'll see what happens this Saturday. If Jefferson performs well, then this whole discussion will probably fade away. If he does poorly, well, let's just hope that he doesn't duck any more interviews.
That would be great if Jefferson performs well. But I've heard people say "once the offense gets going, people will stop complaining about JJ" way too many times this season to expect anything to change any time soon.
Posted on 10/19/09 at 5:22 pm to Carl Dubois
I expected to read a "knee jerk" column that conveyed the same thoughts of those that frequently post on this board. Great read, again!
Posted on 10/20/09 at 8:55 am to Carl Dubois
Great column, Carl. You are the best. To the guys stuck in last year over J Lee's interceptions....What we have now is worse to me. At least we could score more than 3 points. All the potential on the field and we have a QB that has not shown he can get the ball down field further than a screen with the likes of Lafell, Tolliver etc running open.
I agree with you, Carl. Lee stood up, never complained and stayed the course. He could have left but didn't. As far as I know he hasn't complained. He deserves a chance. What's going on now is mediocrity at best, ineptness at worse.
I agree with you, Carl. Lee stood up, never complained and stayed the course. He could have left but didn't. As far as I know he hasn't complained. He deserves a chance. What's going on now is mediocrity at best, ineptness at worse.
Posted on 10/20/09 at 10:55 am to Carl Dubois
Somethingelse all the boys you love have in common and all the boys you seem to dislike have something in common too. Typical .
Posted on 10/20/09 at 11:01 am to tdb1st
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Somethingelse all the boys you love have in common and all the boys you seem to dislike have something in common too. Typical .
Doc?
Sam?
Offdacorner?
quote:
tdb1st
Posted on 10/20/09 at 11:49 am to Carl Dubois
Carl: a well written and thought provoking article. I agree with it mostly except that you fail to mention how horribly the offensive line is playing. I don't think all of the problems lie with the qb play and play calling. I think execution or, lack thereof is probably the main problem with the offensive production, or am I wrong?
Posted on 10/20/09 at 12:10 pm to otowntiger
carl's column should have ended by saying , we are 5-1. wins and losses are what counts, not scoring average or total yards (that all entertainment value). the top 3 teams in the SEC are the ones on top in the all important category of turnover margin (JL certainly can't help us with this one)
Posted on 10/20/09 at 12:11 pm to nolatiger31
I think Miles and Crowton should just keep the play calling simple instead of making his audibles from the side lines causing even more confusion. I hate it when any team lines up and has everyone set, then the all 11 players raise up and look to the sideline.
I think its harder to establish any rythm when players are up and down having too much time to think about a play.
We should just call simple plays and tell JJ if the first or second guy isnt open to use his athletic ability and haul arse for as many yards as possible and his reading progressions will get better when some routine is established.
I think its harder to establish any rythm when players are up and down having too much time to think about a play.
We should just call simple plays and tell JJ if the first or second guy isnt open to use his athletic ability and haul arse for as many yards as possible and his reading progressions will get better when some routine is established.
Posted on 10/20/09 at 12:21 pm to Carl Dubois
mathew stafford's qb rating as a freshmen. 2006 cmp135 att256 yds1,749 cmp%52.7 td7 int13 ratng109.0
jarret lee's qb rating as a rshrtfreshmen 2008 cmp143 att269 yds1,873 cmp%53.2 td14 int16 ratng115.70
while jl's pick-6's certainley stood out, a few of those where from poor ball play by the reciever and gotta say, why couldnt we just tackle the guys. i know jj has put up ok numbers, but he's a check down artist. im sure this is designed, but its designed for a reason. i think if they would have been more conservative with jl we wouldnt even be having this conversation. bottom line is, jl can throw the ball downfield and even brought us back in the 4th qtr over troy and auburn last year.
jarret lee's qb rating as a rshrtfreshmen 2008 cmp143 att269 yds1,873 cmp%53.2 td14 int16 ratng115.70
while jl's pick-6's certainley stood out, a few of those where from poor ball play by the reciever and gotta say, why couldnt we just tackle the guys. i know jj has put up ok numbers, but he's a check down artist. im sure this is designed, but its designed for a reason. i think if they would have been more conservative with jl we wouldnt even be having this conversation. bottom line is, jl can throw the ball downfield and even brought us back in the 4th qtr over troy and auburn last year.
Posted on 10/20/09 at 12:21 pm to Carl Dubois
Wow. A totally self serving article throwing your current starting QB, a former starting QB who was a player while at LSU, a former coach who brought LSU back to prominence and a current coach all under the "media fan" bus. The comparison is way off base just to justify your knee jerk reasoning. Total BS.
Posted on 10/20/09 at 1:04 pm to Carl Dubois
giving another qb some pt if the offense isnt able to pick up the pace isnt throwong anyone under the bus. do i think jj should be benched in favor of jl? no, not yet, but, if we cant get better on offense then obviously something needs to be done. i wish rs was up to speed enough to be the starter, but that isnt the case. apparently.
Posted on 10/20/09 at 1:09 pm to Carl Dubois
We stick with JJ
Build his confidence and let him develop, for whatever reasons it didn't work with JL last year. If JL has improved, he needs to prove in practice and beat out JJ, simple as that.
Also, the coach and team need to trust him to lead. Hasn't happened so far and I don't see it happening this year.
Build his confidence and let him develop, for whatever reasons it didn't work with JL last year. If JL has improved, he needs to prove in practice and beat out JJ, simple as that.
Also, the coach and team need to trust him to lead. Hasn't happened so far and I don't see it happening this year.
Posted on 10/20/09 at 1:12 pm to TigerDen
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If JL has improved, he needs to prove in practice and beat out JJ, simple as that.
by running with the second team?
Isn't going to happen
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Also, the coach and team need to trust him to lead. Hasn't happened so far and I don't see it happening this year.
So if coach/team doesn't trust Jefferson to lead why is he starting? If the team looks to QB as leader and according to what you said they do not, wouldn't you put someone else back there?
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