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Posted on 5/27/10 at 11:54 am to
Posted by Books
BR
Member since Jun 2005
11174 posts
Posted on 5/27/10 at 11:54 am to
you're right, LSU is only a miracle goal line stand better than a 5-7 MSU team and only 8 pts better than a 4-8 La Tech team. GTFO
This post was edited on 5/27/10 at 11:55 am
Posted by inebr8ted tiger
Arkansas
Member since Aug 2007
1395 posts
Posted on 5/27/10 at 11:56 am to
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What Saban has done the last 2 years is special in the SEC


I think what Saban has done in the SEC the past 2 years is completely over-rated. The SEC has been down the last 2 years. Yes, that includes LSU. Arkansas has a coach that had to rebuild that program after Nutty left. Auburn is not nearly what they used to be. Moo State is Moo State.

In 2008 Alabama started the season playing an over-rated Georgia team, in 2009 an over-rated Va. Tech team. The only good team that Alabama has beaten in the last 2 years was Florida last year.

Outside of Florida and Alabama, what team is good in the SEC rigt now...by SEC standards.
Posted by Billy Ray Valentine
Duke & Duke
Member since Sep 2007
1553 posts
Posted on 5/27/10 at 11:57 am to
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"Is the current coach getting any where close to the most out of his team?"
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then answer the question
BTW-players' effort & performance is not the only indicator of what a coach gets out of his team.
What the coaches do has a lot to do with it also (game plan, game mgt, clock mgt, personnel choices).
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 5/27/10 at 12:01 pm to
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If the performance continues to slide, like it has,


Actually...the performance of last years team was better than the performance of the '08 team....so thats not a slide.
Posted by Billy Ray Valentine
Duke & Duke
Member since Sep 2007
1553 posts
Posted on 5/27/10 at 12:02 pm to
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Outside of Florida and Alabama, what team is good in the SEC rigt now...by SEC standards.
I agree with this in a large part. The threads last year about how TCU & Boise would have been middle of the pack or lower in the SEC were so comical.
But that's even more of a condemnation of CLM that LSU has gone .500 during that time.
How can it not be?
Posted by Billy Ray Valentine
Duke & Duke
Member since Sep 2007
1553 posts
Posted on 5/27/10 at 12:08 pm to
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the performance of last years team was better than the performance of the '08 team
Wrong. Last year's results were better than the previous year. The performance, not so much. Again, you guys can't grasp a simple concept.

100+ ranked offense
Ole Miss debacle
Penn State clock screw up
La Tech
Miss State
& on & on

Again, name one game last year other than AU that LSU performed at a very high level.
I'm not saying to name 10 or 7 or 5.
I'm saying name 2.
Can't do it b/c they're not there.
The performance is not getting any better.
Posted by Sammich
Member since Apr 2004
9375 posts
Posted on 5/27/10 at 12:15 pm to
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For God's sake, CLM is a national laughing stock. His clock mismanagements are legendary. His lack of player development is well noted. ON & ON.


5 Years ago...did you know who Les Miles was? Today, Les Miles is one of the most Contoversial & Maligned Football Coaches in the College Game.

Right now his "The Mad Hatter on the Hot Seat" & "Les Miles: One Goofy Bastard" stories are getting more Publicity than Bama's Championship, and his agent (Not Jimmy Sexton), is likely seeing dollar signs.

What say we bring this thread back in 1..maybe 2 seasons?
This post was edited on 5/27/10 at 12:50 pm
Posted by BufordPuser
McNairy County, Tennessee
Member since Jan 2010
1297 posts
Posted on 5/27/10 at 12:22 pm to
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I think what Saban has done in the SEC the past 2 years is completely over-rated






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inebr8ted tiger




^^^Thinks going undefeated is over-rated^^^


I think you must post inebriated. Pathetic.
Posted by Chimlim
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2005
17773 posts
Posted on 5/27/10 at 12:44 pm to
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Again, name one game last year other than AU that LSU performed at a very high level.


Some people don't understand that LSU has the potential to play at this high level every week and that Les Miles is not getting the most out of this team.

But what irks me most is that the things we did very well against Auburn, we didn't see again. For example, Jefferson threw two TD passes on fade routes, we didn't see those plays again. Also, Jefferson actually ran very well from designed QB draw plays, we didn't see that play again. Yet we continued to run the option. Those are the ones I can think of. I'm sure there are more.
This post was edited on 5/27/10 at 12:46 pm
Posted by LJBurton
Member since Feb 2005
1390 posts
Posted on 5/27/10 at 12:45 pm to
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I think what Saban has done in the SEC the past 2 years is completely over-rated. The SEC has been down the last 2 years.


Then why is the great Les Miles .500 against the same opposition over the same 2 years?

What does this say about Les, if you wish to diminish Saban's record the last 2 years as having been achieved in a down time for SEC football?

You have argued yourself into a black hole trying to defend Les Miles.

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inebr8ted tiger
=FAIL
Posted by Chimlim
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2005
17773 posts
Posted on 5/27/10 at 12:53 pm to
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The only good team that Alabama has beaten in the last 2 years was Florida last year.


So you admit that LSU wasn't a good team the past two years? But yet Miles is still doing a good job?
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 5/27/10 at 12:54 pm to
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Again, name one game last year other than AU that LSU performed at a very high level.


bama

The performance at QB and overall defense were much better than in '08. With better o-line play this year we will be a much improved team.
This post was edited on 5/27/10 at 12:56 pm
Posted by The312
I Live in The Three One Two
Member since Aug 2008
6967 posts
Posted on 5/27/10 at 12:54 pm to
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Right now his "The Mad Hatter on the Hot Seat" & "Les Miles: One Goofy Bastard" stories are getting more Publicity than Bama's Championship, and his agent (Not Jimmy Sexton), is likely seeing dollar signs.



Maybe I am misinterpreting, but are you saying that being mocked by the national media is actually improving Miles' earning potential?
Posted by allipgator
Member since Jan 2010
39 posts
Posted on 5/27/10 at 12:58 pm to
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The only good team that Alabama has beaten in the last 2 years was Florida last year.

Um - an undefeated TX team that was beating teams bu HUGE margins through most of the year. The won the championship, say what you will about what it took to get there, but they won it all and went undefeated doing it and controlled their own fate getting there without having to rely on other teams choking.

&, before you bring the McCoy argument, they would have run a totally different offense had McCoy not gone down, they ran prevent offense after that.
This post was edited on 5/27/10 at 1:01 pm
Posted by Sammich
Member since Apr 2004
9375 posts
Posted on 5/27/10 at 1:32 pm to
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Maybe I am misinterpreting, but are you saying that being mocked by the national media is actually improving Miles' earning potential?
I think Les Miles is one of the most talked about college Coaches in America. If he has a good season this year, I think he'll have no problems getting a new job if he wants one.
Posted by HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
Bossier City
Member since Jan 2010
8153 posts
Posted on 5/27/10 at 1:37 pm to
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I think what Saban has done in the SEC the past 2 years is completely over-rated. The SEC has been down the last 2 years. Yes, that includes LSU. Arkansas has a coach that had to rebuild that program after Nutty left. Auburn is not nearly what they used to be. Moo State is Moo State.

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inebr8ted tiger


Do not discredit Saban. He did something the last two years that Miles will never do in his entire coaching career. Miles couldn't even go undefeated even with the teams of 2006 or 2007. STFU with your stupid bullshite about SEC being down the last 2 years. We are 8-8 the last two years in the SEC.

Also, don't forget Saban put LSU back on the map. Miles can't do shite with elite talent. What makes you think he could build from what Saban had to build.

This post was edited on 5/27/10 at 1:41 pm
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
31891 posts
Posted on 5/27/10 at 1:40 pm to
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quote:


Maybe I am misinterpreting, but are you saying that being mocked by the national media is actually improving Miles' earning potential?


I think Les Miles is one of the most talked about college Coaches in America. If he has a good season this year, I think he'll have no problems getting a new job if he wants one.



I agree with you - he's definitely one of the most talked about Coaches in America right now. I'm just not so sure that the type of talk America is doing will land him another HC job as good as the one he currently has - even if LSU has a good season this year.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 5/27/10 at 1:41 pm to
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Do not discredit Saban. He did something the last two years that Miles will never do in his entire coaching career. Miles couldn't even go undefeated even with the teams of 2006 or 2007. STFU with your stupid bullshite about SEC being down the last 2 years. We are 8-8 the last two years in the SEC.

Also, don't forget Saban put LSU back on the map. Miles can't do shite with elite talent. What makes you think he could build from what Saban had to build.


"Our Saban, who art in bama, hallowed be thy name...."
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 5/27/10 at 1:42 pm to
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I graduated from LSU, and suppert LSU Team & LSU Coaches. Why does this make me "Hopeless"?



Was actually just messin with you about your strange obsession with Nick Saban.

It is quite bizarre.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 5/27/10 at 1:43 pm to
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Miles can't do shite with elite talent.


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