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re: Did Alleva fire the swimming coach?
Posted on 4/13/10 at 7:26 pm to RedStickCock
Posted on 4/13/10 at 7:26 pm to RedStickCock
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HtigerO - another question while we're discussing the swimming/diving program. Why are there so many foreign athletes on swimming teams throughout college swimming programs in the US? I know that Auburn has been very successful and quite a few swimmers have gone to school there and then gone on to swim for their countries' olympic teams. There are lots of swimmers from European countries and South Africa as well from what I remember who come to swim for US universities. Just wondering if they come to train for the olympics (if it's a good training ground for the olympics), for the scholarship/free education? Interested to know. Thanks in advance!
This is true, plenty of Europeans, South Africans, South Americans, Australians, and Canadians in the NCAA right now. The reason for this is basically twofold. One is for the education. In most cases, this is absolutely true, even at the DII level. The foreign athletes come here to receive a good education and market themselves, and hopefully get hired in America. In some cases (I won't name specific universities, but those familiar with the sport know which ones), recruit lots of foreign athletes who can't make the grade just to come in and produce quickly and leave quickly. The big thing is, it is really hard to recruit internationally, so most of the times the athlete (foreign) makes the initial contact. I think it is a good thing because I have seen the value of education to these foreign athletes and seen how hard they have worked toward achieving their goals.
Fish Bowl!
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Posted on 4/13/10 at 7:31 pm to HtigerO
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Fish Bowl!
I always wondered if that cheer still transcended time. Awesome
Posted on 4/13/10 at 7:47 pm to DaBeerz
A swimming thread has reached five pages!!! 
Posted on 4/14/10 at 7:57 am to rpg37
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Posted on 4/14/10 at 9:06 am to RUKidding
While the swimmers love the guy, he's the wrong hire. To me, it makes a lot more sense to go hire an assistant from UT, Auburn, or something - or go hire a hotshot young coach. The entire staff should've been axed. The travesty is that we got rid of Adam only to hire someone already on staff...
Posted on 4/14/10 at 9:22 am to MC5601
Anytime you have morale problems - I think you should axe the whole staff and start over.
When the softball team had problems they did not promote from within - Moore built the LSU program and now Yvette is ruining it
When the softball team had problems they did not promote from within - Moore built the LSU program and now Yvette is ruining it
Posted on 4/14/10 at 11:06 am to dutchtowntiger100
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Posted on 4/14/10 at 11:18 am to rpg37
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A swimming thread has reached five pages!!!
Unbelievable. I have seen it all on this board now.
Posted on 4/15/10 at 6:05 am to rpg37
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Posted on 4/15/10 at 7:42 am to RUKidding
Well, I think the easiest way for LSU to move back up the rankings is to focus on traditionally weaker events to boost their rankings and feed off of that. CAS focused sqaurely on the big events and not the distance events and off-strokes. Putting a focus on this would easily boost the program.
Breast + Fly > Free
Breast + Fly > Free
Posted on 4/15/10 at 9:37 am to rpg37
I just want to remain part of the longest running swimming related thread in TD.com history...
Posted on 4/15/10 at 12:16 pm to LSUmomma
I agree with the breast and fly equation, but the fasted 50 free we posted was a high 19. All the others were 20's. We have work to do all around. Geyer has a lot on his plate. I wish him well. Should be interesting to see who he brings in, he can't do it all by himself.
Posted on 4/15/10 at 7:59 pm to RUKidding
To all the doubters:
Hiring an assistant from Auburn or Texas is an option. However, established assistants (like at Texas) have been offered better positions and have turned them down. Plus, you don't know what you're getting with an assistant. As a former athlete for the former LSU coach and the new one, I can tell you that some people just don't have the leadership skills, even if they know swimming. Adam would have been a good sprint assistant, but was a terrible leader. Dave is a leader, the best leader. Doubt all you want. It is a bit of a roll of the dice, but so is any hire. Doug Schafer is also a standout guy. Very involved in his athletes and gets the best out of each of them (academically and athletically). Look at Dave's quote about academics, athletics, and COMMUNITY. This is something that was lost with Adam. Community is an essential part in gaining respect from local athletes as well as being respected in general. There will be fairness to each and every athlete on the team, which was absent with Adam. Adam only cared about what made him look good (not even the people that made him look good). He completely alienated the most decorated LSU swimmer of all (still has the most records) because he was too stubborn. These are the main things that need to improve. Recruits don't care if you used to coach at Texas, they want to know if you can get results out of your athletes and if the current athletes like their coach. It will work. Just sit back and enjoy the success. Support the Tigers. This is what we needed.
Fish Bowl!
Hiring an assistant from Auburn or Texas is an option. However, established assistants (like at Texas) have been offered better positions and have turned them down. Plus, you don't know what you're getting with an assistant. As a former athlete for the former LSU coach and the new one, I can tell you that some people just don't have the leadership skills, even if they know swimming. Adam would have been a good sprint assistant, but was a terrible leader. Dave is a leader, the best leader. Doubt all you want. It is a bit of a roll of the dice, but so is any hire. Doug Schafer is also a standout guy. Very involved in his athletes and gets the best out of each of them (academically and athletically). Look at Dave's quote about academics, athletics, and COMMUNITY. This is something that was lost with Adam. Community is an essential part in gaining respect from local athletes as well as being respected in general. There will be fairness to each and every athlete on the team, which was absent with Adam. Adam only cared about what made him look good (not even the people that made him look good). He completely alienated the most decorated LSU swimmer of all (still has the most records) because he was too stubborn. These are the main things that need to improve. Recruits don't care if you used to coach at Texas, they want to know if you can get results out of your athletes and if the current athletes like their coach. It will work. Just sit back and enjoy the success. Support the Tigers. This is what we needed.
Fish Bowl!
Posted on 4/15/10 at 8:28 pm to HtigerO
Fish Bowl,
Based on your experience, I respect your swim knowledge. When you spoke of what recruits want, I loved the emphasis you placed on "they want to know if you (the coach) can get results out of your athletes". Sounds like you, a person who knows swimming, endorses the philosophy that the right coach is critical to success. Isn't that what all this hub bub is about? I wonder what Coach Geyer's philosophy is on this point? Is it the coach, or is it the athlete?
I'm with you. From what I am reading about Geyer from you and others who know what is really going on, I have a really good feeling about the future of LSU swimming with Geyer at the Head. If he can help put LSU Swimming on the map, it can only be good for swimming as a whole in the Great State of Louisiana.
Geaux Tigers
Based on your experience, I respect your swim knowledge. When you spoke of what recruits want, I loved the emphasis you placed on "they want to know if you (the coach) can get results out of your athletes". Sounds like you, a person who knows swimming, endorses the philosophy that the right coach is critical to success. Isn't that what all this hub bub is about? I wonder what Coach Geyer's philosophy is on this point? Is it the coach, or is it the athlete?
I'm with you. From what I am reading about Geyer from you and others who know what is really going on, I have a really good feeling about the future of LSU swimming with Geyer at the Head. If he can help put LSU Swimming on the map, it can only be good for swimming as a whole in the Great State of Louisiana.
Geaux Tigers
This post was edited on 4/15/10 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 4/16/10 at 9:54 am to RUKidding
This post was edited on 5/11/10 at 11:03 pm
Posted on 4/16/10 at 6:36 pm to RUKidding
This is how it works. If you are a NCAA Div. 1 Level swimmer in the SEC, for the most part you have had descent training up until you got to college. The best coaches study what their athletes were used to and what MADE THEM GOOD IN THE FIRST PLACE. Adam ignored this. It was his way or the highway. There are 3 key things a head coach needs to do in terms of developing the swimmers athletically:
1. Know their background
2. Motivate them and get them to "buy-in"
3. Treat every athlete the same
Dave was good at all of these, so that's why I have confidence. Of course there are other aspects, but these are the most important. It is not the coach who makes the swimmer, it is the swimmer AND the coach, but the most important part of this is trust and belief. Adam demanded trust, Dave has already earned it with the swimmers.
1. Know their background
2. Motivate them and get them to "buy-in"
3. Treat every athlete the same
Dave was good at all of these, so that's why I have confidence. Of course there are other aspects, but these are the most important. It is not the coach who makes the swimmer, it is the swimmer AND the coach, but the most important part of this is trust and belief. Adam demanded trust, Dave has already earned it with the swimmers.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 7:39 pm to HtigerO
quote:I'm looking forward to seeing the results that Coach Geyer brings about at LSU. He has some very strong programs to compete against in Auburn, Georgia and Florida and so we should know how successful he can be within a few years ago. I think HtigerO pointed out in an earlier post that talent was not the issue. Hopefully that means that we compete better sooner!! I love that this thread is still going!! We need to support ALL LSU athletics programs on the rant, not just the moneymakers. When a small program does well, it helps to fuel all of the others as well and the university's athletics reputation. Also helps to fuel better recruiting across sports also when a program is known all around for its athletic excellence. Thanks to all of you for your valuable insight into the swimming/diving program!
Dave was good at all of these, so that's why I have confidence.
Posted on 4/17/10 at 7:40 pm to LSU NO Tigah
This post was edited on 5/11/10 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 5/24/10 at 12:27 am to RUKidding
So what was the final verdict?
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