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re: DiNardo or Miles...
Posted on 11/25/09 at 7:46 am to TheBaker
Posted on 11/25/09 at 7:46 am to TheBaker
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there is NO WAY Miles could have turned a loser into a winner here. he's on his jolly way of doing the opposite.
id hate for reality to ever sink in around here, but in the 12 years before Miles got to Oklahoma State, they were 45-70, with one winning season. in the 3 years before he got there, they were 13-20.
Miles took that program and in his first year beat defending NC OU, who were ranked number 1 at the time.
after that he went 24-14.
So yeah, just because hes already taken a program with no pulse and turned it into a winner, dont let that stop you from saying he could never do it.
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Posted on 11/25/09 at 7:51 am to JYD
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I would take Dinardo over Miles personally. He went 10-2 in 96 and 9-3 in 97 with far less talent than Miles is/was working with in 08/09.
the sec was a different conference back then.
Posted on 11/25/09 at 7:52 am to tiger88
Miles
Posted on 11/25/09 at 7:52 am to MastrShake
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MastrShake
facts have no place on the rant!
Posted on 11/25/09 at 10:27 am to SOL
DiNardo with his year one staff.........
Posted on 11/25/09 at 10:43 am to MastrShake
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there is NO WAY Miles could have turned a loser into a winner here. he's on his jolly way of doing the opposite.
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id hate for reality to ever sink in around here, but in the 12 years before Miles got to Oklahoma State, they were 45-70, with one winning season. in the 3 years before he got there, they were 13-20.
Miles took that program and in his first year beat defending NC OU, who were ranked number 1 at the time.
after that he went 24-14.
So yeah, just because hes already taken a program with no pulse and turned it into a winner, dont let that stop you from saying he could never do
owned
Posted on 11/25/09 at 10:43 am to tiger88
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Miles
Posted on 11/25/09 at 10:45 am to blackjackjackson
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most ranturds believe saban awakened a dead program, but here the ranturds are saying dinardo was GREAT.
i mean what the f...?
do all you shiteaters realize you are eating each other's shite?
Yeah, that's exactly what's going on here.
Posted on 11/25/09 at 10:46 am to tigerbait2
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I have doubted Miles from day one but it aint close for me. Miles
I think they are about the same, and I don't mean that as an insult to Miles but I don't dislike DiNardo the way most LSU fans do.
Now Gerry D needed to be fired in 99. He lost the fans, the administration and most importantly the team. The 99 season was a disaster. We beat 2 scrubs then lost 8 strait, including at home to UH. Only a miracle win by the interim coach v Ark keep us from going 0 for the SEC for only the 2nd time in school history. But...overall he left the program in better shape then wehn he got here.
GD took over a team that had had 6 strait losing seasons, terrible facilities and diminishing fan support. He landed the top recruit in the nation and overall a very good first class after only 2 months on the job. Had a winning season and won a bowl his first year, then went 10-2 tied for the SEC W the next. Beat #1 Florida went went 9-3 again the next year. His demise has always be blamed on the Lou Tepper hire. Well, while did we have Tepper? The DC for GD's first 3 years was Carl Reese, he left for Texas cause they offered him a lot more money. When GD was coach, we ran a bargain basement FB program thanks to Joe Dean.
With the facilities and talent we have now and the ability to pay assistants top dollar, I see no reason Gerry D could not have done a similar job as Les Miles.
This post was edited on 11/25/09 at 10:47 am
Posted on 11/25/09 at 10:49 am to H-Town Tiger
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Now Gerry D needed to be fired in 99.
Yes, he did.
Posted on 11/25/09 at 10:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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there is no way miles could have led a rebuilding project
So what you're saying is he would have been unsuccessful at something he was never tasked with doing? Well, then screw him.
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who in the fanbase would ahve gotten behind les?
If we were coming off five straight losing seasons? Probably everyone. We sure did get behind DiNardo, who was a loser coach from Vanderbilt. At least Les came to LSU with a winning record.
Posted on 11/25/09 at 10:56 am to Ray Ray Rodman
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think DiNardo would be a better coach. He would have ran twice
Kinda like he did against Auburn in '97 with Cecil in the backfield on 3rd and two?
Oh wait...
Posted on 11/25/09 at 10:59 am to Germano Tiger
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a loser coach from Vanderbilt.
Ok State is a decent program, Vandy is not.
Indiana is a better comparison, though still below OSU, and Gerry D was terrible there, advantage Les.
If nothing else, waht Gerry D did his first 3 years at LSU shows its not that hard to win here. That's why all the losing seasons were so frustrating.
Posted on 11/25/09 at 11:06 am to H-Town Tiger
Can schools swap coaches? I would take nebraska's head coach and swap him for miles right now! What was his name? you know the one that coached our defence,the one that had that fire in his gut and had the players playing like champions
Posted on 11/25/09 at 11:07 am to H-Town Tiger
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Ok State is a decent program, Vandy is not
Agreed on this point, though it has been noted that Les took over a bad Ok State program which is now in much better shape thanks in part to Les and in large part to Boone Pickens.
I still wonder why we ever hired DiNardo anyway. Four losing seasons at Vandy and we hire that guy. Odd. Does anyone remember the back story on how he got to LSU?
Posted on 11/25/09 at 11:09 am to H-Town Tiger
Gerry and LSU were a good fit at the time he was hired. He possessed enough shite-talking ability to spearhead his "Bring Back the Magic" revival tour, and he had enough coaching ability to do something initially with the talent he was able to bring in.
Ultimately, in pure coaching ability, he and Les are probably about equals - with each having somewhat different hard-headed barriers.
I don't know what Les did when he took over Ok. State, but I find it hard to imagine they were in as bad or worse straights than we were with Curley.
I just give Dinardo the nod in the charisma comparison, which is what was needed when he took over. He ultimately wore out his welcome and needed to be fired, though, no doubt.
Miles was arguably a similarly good fit, at the time he took over. Anyone who doesn't currently also see similar questions as to whether he's starting to wear out his welcome, has to be blind.
Ultimately, in pure coaching ability, he and Les are probably about equals - with each having somewhat different hard-headed barriers.
I don't know what Les did when he took over Ok. State, but I find it hard to imagine they were in as bad or worse straights than we were with Curley.
I just give Dinardo the nod in the charisma comparison, which is what was needed when he took over. He ultimately wore out his welcome and needed to be fired, though, no doubt.
Miles was arguably a similarly good fit, at the time he took over. Anyone who doesn't currently also see similar questions as to whether he's starting to wear out his welcome, has to be blind.
Posted on 11/25/09 at 11:12 am to Germano Tiger
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I still wonder why we ever hired DiNardo anyway. Four losing seasons at Vandy and we hire that guy. Odd. Does anyone remember the back story on how he got to LSU?
Two words: Joe Dean.
Gerry was not a popular hire. He made himself popular for about 3 years by winning, and helping folks forget Curley.
Posted on 11/25/09 at 11:13 am to Germano Tiger
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I still wonder why we ever hired DiNardo anyway. Four losing seasons at Vandy and we hire that guy. Odd. Does anyone remember the back story on how he got to LSU?
Basically we weren't willing to pay for coaches back then. Mack Brown had some interest supposedly, but was not going to leave UNC for what we were willing to pay.
That aside the guy they really wanted and I think offered the job to was Pat Sullivan, then at TCU, but he could not get out of his contract, so we settled on DiNardo. I know he never had a winning season at Vandy, but the 4 years before he got there they were 1-10, 4-7, 3-8, 1-10. His four years were 5-6, 4-7, 5-6, 5-6. Knocking on a winning season at Vandy back then was pretty good.
This post was edited on 11/25/09 at 11:24 am
Posted on 11/25/09 at 11:15 am to Germano Tiger
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Four losing seasons at Vandy and we hire that guy. Odd.
Vandy was horrible before Gerry, and he'd made them competitive. They were on the verge of going to bowl games a couple times, and he had been successful at Colorado. The thing that scared me most about hiring him was that I thought he was gonna bring his I-bone option offense to LSU.
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