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re: Does it Bother you that Les isn't respected nationally
Posted on 5/15/09 at 4:28 pm to Herb
Posted on 5/15/09 at 4:28 pm to Herb
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But, consistency is an important factor in judging a coaches
Was Meyer not a top coach year before last?
People say Nutt is this great coach and what championships has he won? Tuberville had all kind of love as well. Is Pete top level with only one championship with more talent than anyone? As you can see very subjective.
What some forget is recruiting is a huge part of being a head coach and Les has done a tremendous job in that regard. Just like Meyer had a down year (and got embarrassed by a bad Michigan team as well), LSU had a bad year. That will happen when a team loses leadership and a lot of seniors in important positions.
I haven't thought of ranking coaches but I would put Les in the top 7-8 coaches, and when you have over a 100 Div 1A teams, that's pretty good.
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Posted on 5/15/09 at 4:30 pm to Cleave Land
quote:No. I hjope it bothers the Tigers.
Does it Bother you that Les isn't respected nationally
Posted on 5/15/09 at 4:37 pm to Herb
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The fact that the bad season came the year after the championship, with a team full of very talented athletes, does not speak well of him, if you're comparing him to the Meyers and Sabans.
Les lost his DC and he had to kick off his seasoned new starting QB. The DC thing was his fault because he should have hired a big name and should not have promoted coaches out of loyalty.
LSU would have possibly won 2-3 more games had this shite not happened.
He made one huge mistake that bit him in the butt, but he still went out whooped arse in our bowl game. It wasn't the independence either.
Posted on 5/15/09 at 4:49 pm to Cleave Land
Doesn't bother me. It allows him to sneak up on those whose believe that crap.
This post was edited on 5/15/09 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 5/15/09 at 5:03 pm to Springlake Tiger
No,because it's not true.
Posted on 5/15/09 at 5:08 pm to Cleave Land
He's absolutely a respected coach. He puts butts in the seats, wins championships, and recruits top talent to go do it again. He also has a fine staff of assistants who work with that talent so they can go on to play on Sundays.
If he weren't respected none of that would happen. He just stays out of the limelight is all.
If he weren't respected none of that would happen. He just stays out of the limelight is all.
Posted on 5/15/09 at 5:13 pm to foshizzle
Posted on 5/15/09 at 5:18 pm to drenko50
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I doubt it bothers him either
I think you nailed it. I believe Richt is similar in that regard, although Coach Miles shouldn't be as bothered, with a championship under his belt.
An inferiority or Napoleon complex can definitely motivate a person to great success... but those types of folks are no pleasure to work for. I'd rather stick with what we got.
Posted on 5/15/09 at 5:32 pm to OTIS2
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No. I hope it bothers the Tigers.
Good point. I believe it does. That would be a significant distinction b/w Miles and Saban.
This post was edited on 5/15/09 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 5/15/09 at 5:47 pm to lsutiger2486
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I personally think it should be relatively easy to recruit well in the state of Louisiana. LSU is set up for success by being close to Texas and having LA to itself.
Les Miles should not have credit taken away by Saban. All Saban did for him was recruit some good players. Since Miles has proven he can recruit at LSU I think that squashes that argument. LSU has had the potential forever to be an elite program. Just go back and look at all the elite talent that got recruited away in the past. LSU should have been able to keep the majority of the talent the whole time.
Now Saban is great, but I don't think he gets Bama up and running again as fast had the media not been sucking him off the whole time. He was also getting credit for things he didn't even do which I feel helped him tremendously in recruiting.
I think Les is up their with Saban already. I think in a few more seasons he will easily be up there with Richt. Even though Richt has not won a NC he has put together a shite ton of great seasons.
LSU lost to two teams that were led by heisman contenders during '07. They still had the best credentials out of everyone in the nation. You could also make the case '07 was one of the best years of college football top to bottom during the BCS era. Many people were saying this the whole 2007 season.
it doesnt really bother me though. its undeniable weve been as good as anybody the few years and that is a reflection of the coach. saban did a good job while here to rebuild the program and miles has done a good job of sustaining it. i think put in a similar situation it is quite possible that miles could have done a similar job to what saban did. recruiting is a huge factor in bulding a good team. miles is a good recruiter, hence he leads good teams. execution is another reflection of coaching ability. its often not the "best" team that takes the cake. you just have to win baby, and miles has done that. last years defense killed us and that was huge letdown, but granted this years defense can be at least mediocre next team should be back to form.
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Posted on 5/15/09 at 6:07 pm to Cleave Land
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Does it Bother you that Les isn't respected nationally
Respected nationally??? There are members of our very own "fanbase" (gasp!!!) that don't respect Les. Yes, last year had some very rough moments, but the guy has done great things at LSU and is unbeaten in bowl games, where LSU football really gets a ton of attention.
Respect nationally is earned, and Les has a great chance to do a great coaching job this season following a rough 2008 season- if he can turn things around in a season where we are flying under the radar the more respect can be earned.
Posted on 5/15/09 at 6:22 pm to TigerOnTheProwl
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Respected nationally??? There are members of our very own "fanbase" (gasp!!!) that don't respect Les.
Yeah. Pisces made that point as well. The media is what it is... if the local fan base is up in arms about Miles and last year... they just regurgitate.
I'm telling you, the proof is there. If Saban stuck around much longer, it would not have been a building of a dynasty. It takes a different kind of coach to stay 10+ years at a program these days. I'm not taking it for granted, but if any coach can or will, it's Miles or a Coach like Richt.
Posted on 5/15/09 at 6:25 pm to Cleave Land
Yes it does and i am sure it bothers him. It really bothers me when he does not get respect from the media or traditional powerhouse fan base like bama. It does not bother me from minor programs like Ole Piss, Auburn ect. 
Posted on 5/15/09 at 7:57 pm to Cleave Land
I respect les. That's all that matters to me.
Posted on 5/15/09 at 8:24 pm to Cleave Land
CLand: It use to for a couple seasons because I guess a part of me wasn't 100 percent behind this guy. Then I saw how we won the national championship and I basically stopped giving a damn what the outside media said.
Les Miles is a good coach. He'll only get better. Who cares what they say.
As I always say keep doubting him. Just keep it up.
Les Miles is a good coach. He'll only get better. Who cares what they say.
As I always say keep doubting him. Just keep it up.
Posted on 5/15/09 at 8:45 pm to LA007
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It takes a different kind of coach to stay 10+ years at a program these days.
True. For that you have to be a program leader, being an individual coach is nice but not necessary.
Posted on 5/15/09 at 8:58 pm to ENYOMOUT
Miles is not respected nationally because:
1) He is not articulate with the press. He often comes across as "not very intelligent."
2) He has called some plays that goes against football logic (ie... the pass to Byrd against AU)
3) Like it or not, thus far, he has won primarily with players he inherited from Saban.
Miles seems to be a good man. A good example of that is his allowing Phelon Jones to transfer to Bama. And, he does have one crystal ball. Larry Coker does too.
1) He is not articulate with the press. He often comes across as "not very intelligent."
2) He has called some plays that goes against football logic (ie... the pass to Byrd against AU)
3) Like it or not, thus far, he has won primarily with players he inherited from Saban.
Miles seems to be a good man. A good example of that is his allowing Phelon Jones to transfer to Bama. And, he does have one crystal ball. Larry Coker does too.
Posted on 5/15/09 at 9:01 pm to Cleave Land
I find it funny that some folks are surprised that CLM does not get as much national respect as he should. After all, there are a group of stupid jackass shite for brains who don't give CLM the respect he deserves right here on this board.
They would rather lick the arse of a former coach who left LSU after saying he would not. A coach, who by the way, will end up being CLM's bitch for years to come.
They would rather lick the arse of a former coach who left LSU after saying he would not. A coach, who by the way, will end up being CLM's bitch for years to come.
Posted on 5/15/09 at 9:09 pm to Herb
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say that because of last season. Before then he was on the level of the top coaches. But, consistency is an important factor in judging a coaches abilities. The fact that the bad season came the year after the championship, with a team full of very talented atheletes, does not speak well of him, if you're comparing him to the Meyers and Sabans. But, everyone makes a mistake once. Let's see if he has corrected that mistake. If he has, then we can start comparing him with the top coaches, not before.
As I've stated above, I think he's an excellent coach, and I believe he has last year's problems solved. Let's wait and see. This is not a put down on Coach Miles.
Keep this in mind. Urban Meyer lost 4 games year before last with Tebow (probably the best college player of all time). Imagine if they wouldn't have had Tebow. It was a bad season for the Gators. I'm sure they weren't very happy about it. Just saying, stop all this shite about Meyer being so much better than Miles, and that Miles still has to prove himself. Meyer had a shitty season too.
Posted on 5/15/09 at 9:18 pm to GA Tiger
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Miles seems to be a good man. A good example of that is his allowing Phelon Jones to transfer to Bama. And, he does have one crystal ball. Larry Coker does too.
Coker sure does. But how much blame can really be put on the coach. Its not always all the coaches fault. Its not like Coker was going 3-8 at Miami. They still had a ton of talent on those Miami teams. A QB can make a coach look so very bad at times. Think about it. Florida St. and Miami both still have as much talent as anyone, but they've been very unlucky the past several seasons with the QB situation. They have both recruited highly rated QB's that just haven't panned out. Next thing you know, a very talented team like Miami, Florida St, or LSU for that matter, go 9-4 or 8-5, and its all the coaches fault. shite, sometimes the QB's on these teams just end up sucking balls. Thats just the way it happens sometimes. Just saying, people talk really bad about Coker, but shitty arse QB play had a lot to do with his demise as the head coach at Miami.
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