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re: enough with the clock management
Posted on 2/12/10 at 4:05 pm to Tiger_in_Texas
Posted on 2/12/10 at 4:05 pm to Tiger_in_Texas
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Next year (notice LSU fans are saying next year) we will see if we have a trend or if Miles turns it around. Whichever way it goes, I hope it is in the best long term interest of LSU and not Miles.
I hope he takes the Michigan gig. He deserves a better class of Fan.
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Posted on 2/12/10 at 4:05 pm to jrich11
quote:Then stop starting threads about it.
enough with the clock management
Posted on 2/12/10 at 4:13 pm to xiv
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I knew this when he was coaching at Oklahoma State.
...of course you did.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 4:19 pm to AlxTgr
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3) Penn St.
fail
how is calling a middle screen with 0 timeouts left good clock management?
Posted on 2/12/10 at 4:28 pm to TigerBait1127
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how is calling a middle screen with 0 timeouts left good clock management?
The same way losing to UAB in Tiger Stadium is considered "Genius Coaching".
Posted on 2/12/10 at 4:30 pm to Sammich
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The same way losing to UAB in Tiger Stadium is considered "Genius Coaching".
what does that have to do with anything i posted? that's right, nothing.
Way to just throw something out there though
Posted on 2/12/10 at 4:40 pm to Sammich
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The same way losing to UAB in Tiger Stadium is considered "Genius Coaching".
Huh? Who considers that game genius coaching? Saban had some screw ups, but shite like that was not the norm under Saban. Crap like calling a screen pass to the middle of the field with 40 seconds left in the game with no timeouts left when all you need to do is get into FG range (as opposed to calling a screen pass to the sidelines giving the RB an opportunity to run out of bounds if he needs to) has been the norm under Miles.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 4:48 pm to Chimlim
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Huh? Who considers that game genius coaching?
Sabanistas, like the one below:
quote:Name 1 Miles loss that is equal to UAB.
Saban had some screw ups bla blah *elavator music* blah....has been the norm under Miles.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 4:57 pm to Sammich
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Sabanistas, like the one below:
so since you can't address the point, you just change the topic
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Name 1 Miles loss that is equal to UAB.
what does that have to do with Les Miles clock management?
seriously? i don't really give a frick about Saban. I care that Miles made several clock management mistakes this year and one embarrassed the LSU name on national tv
This post was edited on 2/12/10 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 2/12/10 at 4:59 pm to Sammich
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Name 1 Miles loss that is equal to UAB.
2000 UAB (7-4)
2005 Tennessee (5-6)
2008 Arkansas (5-7)
2007 Kentucky & Arkansas (LSU talent>>>>>>>>>>>>>>either of those teams)
Posted on 2/12/10 at 5:00 pm to RealityTiger
Wow 38 whole posts and that is what you have to contribute! Pathetic! Simply Pathetic.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 5:02 pm to TigerBait1127
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TigerBait1127
Don't worry about sammich, he thinks everyone loves Saban and that is all he has got. He'll spout win % but forget about the shitty playing of the last two seasons or the lucky calls of the 2007 season. Les' luck has ran out and his weaknesses are starting to show. I wish I were wrong, but that is how I see it.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 5:02 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
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LSUSUPERSTAR
i agree with you but don't let him just change the subject, make him address the point.
Saban had nothing to do with Miles vs. UGA, Ole Miss, or Penn State (or his attempt against UT)
Posted on 2/12/10 at 5:05 pm to LSUFan760
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Does CLM really need to "grow"? He won the NC two years ago...
Will he win the SEC West again while he is at LSU? That's a big drop. Don't forget Coker has a National Title as well.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 5:12 pm to jrich11
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the man made a mistake
First of all, it wasn't "a" mistake. There have been a lot of them and the pattern is very consistent.
Tennessee 2005: Two mistakes...
A) 2nd quarter, leading 21-0, deep in UT territory, final seconds, no timeouts left, sophomore QB in the game. Failed to impress upon said QB how absolutely crucial it was not to get tackled short of a first down and inbounds. Result: Russell attempts to scramble, is tackled inbounds short of a first down, clock runs out and we do not get to attempt a FG.
B) Under two minutes left, score tied, we get a turnover and have one last chance to try to score in regulation to win it. Miles attempts to call timeout to save time when the clock was already stopped for change of possession.
Kentucky 2007: Score tied, over a minute to go, we have the ball around our 35 or so. We get off maybe four plays and have to try a 57-yard FG to win it (which David almost made to miraculously pull Miles' arse out of the fire).
Arkansas 2007: Down 7, about a minute to play, 3rd and goal, we run a play and fail to score, bringing up 4th down, clock running with about 50 seconds left. Miles frantically runs on to the field to get the timeout as quickly as possible. Why? It's 4th down. We have only one more play no matter how much time is left. The smart move is to let the play clock run down and take as much time off the clock as possible before we call timeout so that, in the event we score and tie the game, Arkansas has less time afterward to get a score of their own. Result: We score, and Arkansas has about 45 seconds (instead of about 20) to try to move into position for a winning FG. Fortunately, the defense bailed him out by stopping Arkie and we did manage to force overtime, but Arkie got a much better chance to win it in regulation than they should have.
Ole Miss 2009: Four mistakes...
A) 2nd down and 10, in FG range, about 40 seconds left, down 2 points, two timeouts left, the only thing that we absolutely cannot afford is for our non-pocket-savvy, hold-the-ball-too-long, sack-prone QB to get sacked for a big loss outside of FG range. So, we call a pass play with a deep drop back against a defense that has blitzed us 7 plays in a row before that. Result: sacked for a 9 yard loss, putting us out of FG range and forcing us to use our next-to-last timeout.
B) 3rd down, stopped inbounds, bringing up 4th down. Clock running, we have one time out and nearly 30 seconds to go. Instead of either saving the time out or using it to save time, he pisses away both by waiting almost 20 seconds, THEN calling timeout, leaving us 9 seconds and no timeouts. Now, we have time for only one play unless...
C) 4th down play MUST go to the sidelines, down the middle VERY quickly (in either case beyond the first down marker obviously), or to the end zone. Instead, we have JJ drift around in the backfield for a few seconds and then loft a high, hanging hail mary downfield, in bounds and short of the end zone, leaving only 1 second left, with the clock to run out as soon as the ball is whistled ready for play, unless...
D) Having the FG unit gathered on the sidelines and ready to rush in, get lined up, snap and kick it as soon as the ball is whistled ready for play (which Purdue did in the video clip others posted here the week after) might have saved Miles from his own stupidity. Failing that, at least we might have been able to rush the offense up to the spot for a quick snap as soon as the ball is in play and try one final desperate play. Instead of doing what Purdue did (and practices every week), or at least doing something that would give us a chance, we had nothing planned at all. The FG unit was nowhere to be found, the QB had no idea what he was supposed to do, no play was called and Miles was running onto the field to argue with the official (or calling for a spike, depending on whom or which video you believe).
Penn State 2009: Final 30 seconds, out of time outs, down by 2 around midfield. The worst thing that can happen other than a turnover is a short gain and a tackle inbounds. So, we call an inside screen to the wide receiver who fails to negotiate the gumbo mud and get a first down. Sure, with this play, there was a chance the receiver could make a good move and get downfield for a big gain, which makes it a perfectly good play to call in the middle of the 3rd quarter. The play also, however, had an unacceptably high probability of resulting in a short gain with a tackle inbounds, which makes it an absolutely inexcusable play to call in the last 30 seconds with no timeouts left. Red herring: Penn State tackler stays on the receiver too long and the refs screw up the call when we pull him off. Truth: Even if the PSU player had not done that, we would have lost about 20 seconds trying to get a play off, leaving us in the 10-second range still near midfield when the next play is snapped.
All of these blunders, spread out over the past five seasons, point to one inescapable conclusion: Miles simply does not grasp the concept of time management late in the game and does not have the ability to alter his normal routine to adjust to situations in which time is abnormally precious. They also belie (in Miles' case) this part of your post...
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coaches grow and develop too.
One would hope so, but Miles has not. He has coached 115 games as a head coach, including 66 at LSU. At LSU, he was no better at the above issues in his 66th game than he was in his 2nd.
The above having been said, I also agree with the previous posters who point out that there were other, probably more serious, problems in the Ole Miss and Penn State games, but your original post addressed clock management, so my response is limited to that issue.
This post was edited on 2/12/10 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 2/12/10 at 5:15 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
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Don't worry about sammich, he thinks everyone loves Saban and that is all he has got. He'll spout win % but forget about the shitty playing of the last two seasons or the lucky calls of the 2007 season. Les' luck has ran out and his weaknesses are starting to show. I wish I were wrong, but that is how I see it.
LSUSUPERTARD,
Was Miles hired by LSU to Win Football games or to Appease a fricked up braying Jackasses like yourself?
Posted on 2/12/10 at 5:18 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
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2000 UAB (7-4)
2005 Tennessee (5-6)
2008 Arkansas (5-7)
2007 Kentucky & Arkansas (LSU talent>>>>>>>>>>>>>>either of those teams)
No sorry. SEC Schools vs. a team that had fielded 9 totla football teams. IF you think you can finds a Darren McFadden among UAB's 2000 team feel free to post his name.
Everyone can use a good laugh, not that were not already enjoying you & the other Cabana Boys postings. Priceless.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 5:20 pm to Sammich
can u address a fricking point without bringing saban up? My post had nothing to do with him, but you felt the need to bring him up. Why is that? Does Saban's frick ups make Miles' frick ups ok?
Posted on 2/12/10 at 5:22 pm to jrich11
Posted on 2/12/10 at 5:23 pm to Sammich
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Was Miles hired by LSU to Win Football games or to Appease a fricked up braying Jackasses
He doesn't have to do one or the other. Doing one also does the other.
There's no denying that every fan base has what you sophomorically call "braying jackasses". So, where are all the jackass Alabama fans? Why don't you see braying jackasses all over Alabama bitching about Nick Saban?
Because even the braying jackasses shut up when you do your fricking four million dollar a year job. That's why.
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