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re: "Gimmick" Offenses
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:14 am to FootballNostradamus
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:14 am to FootballNostradamus
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LMFAO is you think your defensive tackle is coming upfield to dictate a give and then crashing in on my dive back. That’s one of the most absurd things I’ve ever seen. My dive will rip you a new a-hole until you give it the respect it deserves. You’d hafta be the worst executing triple option team on the planet for that defense to work.
I RARELY agree with you but you hit that head on. He's running himself out the damn play
You play the option inside out. A team can't hurt you going east and west, just north and south. The DT will take away that inside dive. QB is going to read the end. End takes qb to force pitch where you have to have a LB scraping out to get him and a CB containing and safety helping
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Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:14 am to TXGunslinger10
What does the Oregon coach want from this double time setup. ESPN coach Meyers said " that the Oregon players & staff, has bought into this different offense style". Why?
Everyone pulling in one direction is good. But what happens if the Ducks start losing. What happens to the double time,Skip fast time option then. It goes up in smoke. Along with all the other bell and whistles after the party over.
Does anyone seriously think that this LSU football team is going to get to tired. Because of Skip's double time option.
Everyone pulling in one direction is good. But what happens if the Ducks start losing. What happens to the double time,Skip fast time option then. It goes up in smoke. Along with all the other bell and whistles after the party over.
Does anyone seriously think that this LSU football team is going to get to tired. Because of Skip's double time option.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:21 am to 7thWardTiger
So, to recap:
Playside DT: Upfield
MLB: Crash A Gap
*Dive is contained
Playside DE: Key is QB
Playside OLB: You got the pitch man.
CB & Playside Saftety: Contain
*Option is contained
Works every time.
Playside DT: Upfield
MLB: Crash A Gap
*Dive is contained
Playside DE: Key is QB
Playside OLB: You got the pitch man.
CB & Playside Saftety: Contain
*Option is contained
Works every time.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:24 am to GoldRing
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What does the Oregon coach want from this double time setup. ESPN coach Meyers said " that the Oregon players & staff, has bought into this different offense style". Why?
Everyone pulling in one direction is good. But what happens if the Ducks start losing. What happens to the double time,Skip fast time option then. It goes up in smoke. Along with all the other bell and whistles after the party over.
Does anyone seriously think that this LSU football team is going to get to tired. Because of Skip's double time option.
Oregon's offensive system is very good and sound. However, a team can beat us if they're good in the trenches. Oregon's offensive line the last couple years has been above average but not great. Oregon has recruited extrememly well at the position the last two years. We are talking 6'5" to 6'7" and arriving on campus at 285. Our new guys are already bigger than some of the upperclasmen. Once CK stacks a couple of these classes on top of each other, watch out. Of course, that is if nothing major comes of the lyles deal.
Oregon has been contained because of talent, not scheme.
If CK went to Florida, he could take the SEC by storm. I have no doubt about it.
This post was edited on 6/23/11 at 11:26 am
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:27 am to TXGunslinger10
quote:wait, what? You run your dt upfiel and the guard is going to leave him alone and go to the next level, aka your backer. Dive back cuts outside and up of the block and now your safety is 1 on 1 with a 220+# fullback with a 13 yard running start.
Playside DT: Upfield MLB: Crash A Gap *Dive is contained
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:27 am to GFunk
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Your take was like yesterday's decaf, homeslice. Having an entire offseason doesn't mean anything. It's whether the plays are fundamentally sound & whether they work.
You can get as creative as you like-and Gary Crowton is extrmely creative-but if they lack the ability to put the defense at a disadvantage, and-more importantly-your offense doesn't understand them and can't execute them, then eventually, smoke & mirrors are going to get you run out of town.
We've witnessed it here. They witnessed the same show.
Hosscat.
LOL this is funny. I can’t link it from work, but when I get home I’ll send you an entire breakdown of this new scheme that was not fundamentally sound in your opinion.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:29 am to 7thWardTiger
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wait, what? You run your dt upfiel and the guard is going to leave him alone and go to the next level, aka your backer. Dive back cuts outside and up of the block and now your safety is 1 on 1 with a 220+# fullback with a 13 yard running start.
It makes zero notable sense unless he’s in a three man front and not including the nose guard.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:31 am to bisonduck
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Oregon's offensive system is very good and sound. However, a team can beat us if they're good in the trenches. Oregon's offensive line the last couple years has been above average but not great. Oregon has recruited extrememly well at the position the last two years. We are talking 6'5" to 6'7" and arriving on campus at 285. Our new guys are already bigger than some of the upperclasmen. Once CK stacks a couple of these classes on top of each other, watch out. Of course, that is if nothing major comes of the lyles deal.
Oregon has been contained because of talent, not scheme.
If CK went to Florida, he could take the SEC by storm. I have no doubt about it.
You guys contend for national titles with those types of lineman. That you only got just now. Prior to that, they were deficient.
Last year, we started:
Broseph Barksdale - 6'5", 310+ LT
Josh Dwyoicantspellitcyk - 6'8", 300+ LG
PJ Lonergan - 6'4", 300+ C
Will Blackwell* - 6-5, 310+ RG
Hurst - 6'6", 320+ RT
We already have the same talent you're talking about "finally" recruiting. Yet we're lucky to go 11-2.
You have no clue as to what its like in the SEC. None. You're trying realy hard, though. I'll give you that much.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:31 am to TXGunslinger10
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So, to recap:
Playside DT: Upfield
MLB: Crash A Gap
*Dive is contained
Playside DE: Key is QB
Playside OLB: You got the pitch man.
CB & Playside Saftety: Contain
*Option is contained
If you do the same thing every time, an offense woth a lick will adapt. The best way to beat an option is to confuse the offense, so they are making the wrong reads. If you do that, the offense is terrible.
This post was edited on 6/23/11 at 11:32 am
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:32 am to FootballNostradamus
Look - Oregon could only manage 75 yards rushing against Auburn in the BCS title game. If LSU can have similar success against the run, then the Tigers will win in walk, but because there is no way in hell or Dallas that the Ducks will make a living throwing the ball against LSU's secondary.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:34 am to GFunk
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You guys contend for national titles with those types of lineman. That you only got just now. Prior to that, they were deficient.
Last year, we started:
Broseph Barksdale - 6'5", 310+ LT
Josh Dwyoicantspellitcyk - 6'8", 300+ LG
PJ Lonergan - 6'4", 300+ C
Will Blackwell* - 6-5, 310+ RG
Hurst - 6'6", 320+ RT
We already have the same talent you're talking about "finally" recruiting. Yet we're lucky to go 11-2.
You have no clue as to what its like in the SEC. None. You're trying realy hard, though. I'll give you that much.
I watched Urban Meyer take his spread gimmicky offense to the SEC and win. Sorry, but I do know what it's like. You see, we get to watch the two marquee games in the SEC every saturday on the west coast.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:34 am to FootballNostradamus
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LOL this is funny. I can’t link it from work, but when I get home I’ll send you an entire breakdown of this new scheme that was not fundamentally sound in your opinion.
They didn't run a new scheme after it got stuffed & they realized they weren't executing it properly.
Your whole point was that they'll be better because they had all offseason to prepare.
My whole point is that if that setup was so bad against Auburn, yeah, there may be something to unfamiliarity, but we've seen a team get creative playcalls and not be able to do anything with it here, with multiple offseasons to master it. Oregon has, too.
Bottom line, they've gotta show they can use those two-back sets on the field. Not on the chalkboard.
The perfect depiction of why Oregon lost is in this discussion on why teams should use the "constraint theory" on offense.
This post was edited on 6/23/11 at 11:35 am
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:35 am to mtntiger
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Look - Oregon could only manage 75 yards rushing against Auburn in the BCS title game. If LSU can have similar success against the run, then the Tigers will win in walk, but because there is no way in hell or Dallas that the Ducks will make a living throwing the ball against LSU's secondary.
I know this is hard to believe but Auburn's team last year was built better to stop the run.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:40 am to bisonduck
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I know this is hard to believe but Auburn's team last year was built better to stop the run.
I know this is hard to believe, but:
Total Defensive Rankings 2010:
LSU - 12th
Auburn - 60th
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:42 am to GFunk
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They didn't run a new scheme after it got stuffed & they realized they weren't executing it properly.
Your whole point was that they'll be better because they had all offseason to prepare.
My whole point is that if that setup was so bad against Auburn, yeah, there may be something to unfamiliarity, but we've seen a team get creative playcalls and not be able to do anything with it here, with multiple offseasons to master it. Oregon has, too.
Bottom line, they've gotta show they can use those two-back sets on the field. Not on the chalkboard.
The perfect depiction of why Oregon lost is in this discussion on why teams should use the "constraint theory" on offense.
I’ve read everything Chris Brown has written on the constraint theory. You’re preaching to the choir on this one. My favorite Offensive Coordinator is Dana Holgorsen because he ascribed to the Keep It Simple Stupid philosophy. He says he should be able to install his entire offense in 3 days during spring and the rest is for execution and drilling. He blasted Meyer for the misuse of Harvin saying he was asked to do too much and never truly mastered one position. No skill player, not one, crosstrains for Holgorsen. He’s assembly line style when it comes to positions. You learn something, master it, and then you bust the defense up with it. Wes Welker played only one position. Michael Crabtree played one position. That’s how it should be in college with the practice restrictions.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:46 am to bisonduck
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I know this is hard to believe but Auburn's team last year was built better to stop the run.
I sure as he'll hope so, as bad as their secondary was/is.
Another thing to consider, their rush d stats are inflated because most teams abandoned the run and had to play catchup. Cam ate alot of clock last year.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:46 am to FootballNostradamus
Of Course an offense adapts...So does the defense...this is just where it all starts.
And Nostradamus...By "upfield" doesn't mean he's going to just take off for the other goal posts...it means that he's probably in a 2 TEC (which mean's he's head up on the guard)and he's going to push forward and read the play, then rip through the block and crush your FB.
And Nostradamus...By "upfield" doesn't mean he's going to just take off for the other goal posts...it means that he's probably in a 2 TEC (which mean's he's head up on the guard)and he's going to push forward and read the play, then rip through the block and crush your FB.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:49 am to GFunk
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I know this is hard to believe, but:
Total Defensive Rankings 2010:
LSU - 12th
Auburn - 60th
What is it on a per play basis? Auburn probably ran more plays and faced more plays. Total defense is a poor metric. Beside, LSU's d is better over all. However, if LSU is softer in the middle than Auburn than I would much prefer to get our yards on the ground.
On yards per play basis the gap goes from 12/60 to 22/55. Furthermore, Auburns rush defense was way ahead and we are a rush first team.
This post was edited on 6/23/11 at 11:52 am
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:50 am to TXGunslinger10
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And Nostradamus...By "upfield" doesn't mean he's going to just take off for the other goal posts...it means that he's probably in a 2 TEC (which mean's he's head up on the guard)and he's going to push forward and read the play, then rip through the block and crush your FB.
You’re playing your tackle head up over the guard? Fine I’ll just veer it, stretch my dive out and read off the end. You’re tackle is already out of the play.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:51 am to TXGunslinger10
And 7th ward, for your theory, that guard is not going to get to the 2nd level before the QB makes that read. it hinges on ENGAGING the Guard.
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