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Posted on 7/16/12 at 2:12 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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Yes we did, he's the QB now
Precisely at what point in that game would you have deviated from what had been working during the season and throw in a realtively inexperienced QB to face the Alabama defense?
Posted on 7/16/12 at 2:16 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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A better word would be "inability to adjust on the fly". (Execute plan B or C when plan A doesn't work.) You'll reply, there was no plan B. My point exactly.
At what point during the pre game planning and the pre game preps would you have decided that the scheme that had won the previous 13 games would absolutely not work?
At what point do you lose confidence in your coaches and your players to decide that a radically different game plan must be summoned up, and how much of the limited practice time would you have allotted to it?
Posted on 7/16/12 at 2:16 pm to justustm2
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is a bit disingenuous in that the second leading rusher (Ware) was suspended and DNP in AU game. Ware averaged 13.6 rushes per game played on the season. Ford averaged 9.07 rushes per game played.
First half of the season not including AU Spencer got 81 carries, last five 46
First half Ford got 61, last half 44.
Ford actually kept his rushes while the bruiser lost carries....why, because of his production.
Hilliard and Blue both picked up some carries and both could be argued were more effective than Ford and much more productive than Ware.
Ware was the featured back, who dropped in production and had his carries dropped in favor of more productive backs.
This disproves anyones opinion that no changes or adjustments are made based on production or lack of..adjustments were made that were favorable to the most productive players, including the teams leading rusher.
This post was edited on 7/16/12 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 7/16/12 at 2:21 pm to Gray Tiger
Midway through the 3rd qtr when there was no way anyone could be worse. It is truly impossible to be worse than that guy. You never know how many more championships you will ever get a real chance at. I would have tried anything and everything. Everything would have been left on the field. There comes a point where it is okay to play desperate and hope for the best. There was no suspense in his gameplan. Just bend over and take it for 4 quarters and say we wanted to give another guy a chance.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 2:25 pm to Gray Tiger
quote:Trick question. This would not have happened in pre game, because you don't know the outcome yet.
At what point during the pre game planning and the pre game preps would you have decided that the scheme that had won the previous 13 games would absolutely not work?
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At what point do you lose confidence in your coaches and your players to decide that a radically different game plan must be summoned up,
After the 1st half.
quote:1/3rd. What we did do was not 'radically different' than what we had done all season, so tons of practice time on 'that' weren't necessary, leaving room for other options. It's part of the criticism of Miles, he lacks creativity when it comes to the x's and o's of football.
and how much of the limited practice time would you have allotted to it?
Posted on 7/16/12 at 2:33 pm to A1tiger
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Midway through the 3rd qtr when there was no way anyone could be worse
What percisely would you have done? Drawn up plays for some one new right there on the sidelines? This isn't sandlot football.
A specific game plan was drawn up. Specific plays to conduct that plan were devised. They were practiced over and over and over because the staff thought that they would work. They didn't work obviously.
You can't just suddenly put in new plays during the game especially against a solid defense. That would be beyond foolish.
In the real world of big time football it can't be done. Any adjustments a team makes during a game are within a certain playbook framework. You can't make wholesale changes. You can't thorw out an entire offensive scheme and suddenly come up with another one in the middle of a game. Attempting it would not only be likely to fail but could get someone hurt.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 2:40 pm to tigerfoot
What does your response have to do with your premise of the leading rusher getting more carries?????????????????
Posted on 7/16/12 at 2:43 pm to justustm2
huh? My premise is Miles made adjustments.
Ford maintained his carries and production. Ware lost the title of featured back. What part is hard to understand.
Ford maintained his carries and production. Ware lost the title of featured back. What part is hard to understand.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 3:00 pm to Gray Tiger
quote:Specifically, what plays do you draw up for a green QB when you can't even control the LOS?
Drawn up plays for some one new right there on the sidelines?
quote:Nah, that was Mettsiah on the sideline.
Attempting it would not only be likely to fail but could get someone hurt.
The blitz would've been tripping and falling at his nimble feet, while seams opened like the Red Sea.
I believe Mark May said even Breezus would've had a miserable night with that protection.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 3:00 pm to Gray Tiger
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What percisely would you have done? Drawn up plays for some one new right there on the sidelines? This isn't sandlot football.
A specific game plan was drawn up. Specific plays to conduct that plan were devised. They were practiced over and over and over because the staff thought that they would work. They didn't work obviously.
You can't just suddenly put in new plays during the game especially against a solid defense. That would be beyond foolish.
In the real world of big time football it can't be done. Any adjustments a team makes during a game are within a certain playbook framework. You can't make wholesale changes. You can't thorw out an entire offensive scheme and suddenly come up with another one in the middle of a game. Attempting it would not only be likely to fail but could get someone hurt.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
When Lee was ineffectual against Bama in the first game, Miles substituted Jefferson and called plays that Jefferson was comfortable with, plays that Jefferson had been practicing since his return to the squad (e.g. option plays). In other words, in November, Miles did precisely what you now suggest is impossible. He could have done the exact same f*cking thing in the NC game. When it became painfully apparent that JJ wasn't equal to the task, he should have substitituted Lee and called plays that Lee was comfortable with, plays Lee had been practicing for an entire f*cking season, plays that he had probably practiced in the weeks leading up to the NC, and plays that he had certainly practiced during the week before the first Alabama game, when he was the putative starter. (And by the way, given JJ's notoriously erratic nature and his abysmal showing in the SECCG, it would be inexcusable negligence if Miles hadn't even crafted a backup gameplan for Lee or Mett).
Stop defending the worst LSU coaching performance in recent memory. We were outwitted on every level. The gameplan itself was moronic and predictable. The implementation of the gameplan and the playcalling were humiliating abominations. The personnel decision at QB was doltish. The entire spectacle was nauseating. That's why we lost 21-0 and never crossed mid-field.
Anyone who is rational would admit that the coaching sucked a fat cack in the 2011 NCG. We can only hope that the staff improves and learns from their errors, so they don't repeat them.
This post was edited on 7/16/12 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 7/16/12 at 3:16 pm to The312
I wish Miles would have done something different in hindsight. However I truly dont think it changes the outcome, at all.
We were manhandled. Whether we got beat 21-10, 28-7 or 17-3 we were just crushed.
We were manhandled. Whether we got beat 21-10, 28-7 or 17-3 we were just crushed.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 3:28 pm to The312
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he should have substitituted Lee
And what was Lee's career stats vs. Bama?
I would have gone with Mett.
Piss and moan all you want, but I'll let the staff winning more BCS games and more SEC games since 05 than any other among BCS/SEC schools decide who should play and when.
Carry on with the :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse:
Posted on 7/16/12 at 3:33 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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And what was Lee's career stats vs. Bama?
I would have gone with Mett.
Neither happened. Instead, like a retard repeatedly butting a brick wall with his head, we kept trying the same ineffectual tactic.
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Piss and moan all you want, but I'll let the staff winning more BCS games and more SEC games since 05 than any other among BCS/SEC schools decide who should play and when.
Haven't we dispensed with the nonsensical staff infallibility premise yet? The staff makes many errors, some of which are readily apparent to the fanbase. I didn't need to be a football coach to know that the Maleveto experiment was a disaster.
The bottom line is this: the 1/9/12 was a coaching debacle. Anyone without an agenda would admit as much. The only reason the debate lingers on in threads such as this one is that certain factions within our fanbase seem morally impelled to defend the indefensible. The gameplan, playcalling, personnel management sucked. Let it go. Then we can all move on to 2012 and the Mettenberger era.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 3:34 pm to The312
quote:He was 6/10 and around 7ypa, no INTs.
Miles substituted Jefferson and called plays that Jefferson was comfortable with, plays that Jefferson had been practicing since his return to the squad (e.g. option plays).
I wouldn't call that uncomfortable.
In fact, I'd bet there weren't but about 17 attempts in the gameplan anyway and Lee got the other 7, completing 3......or 5, depending on how you keep stats.
quote:Not true.
never crossed mid-field.
Down 2 scores, LSU drove from the 35 to around the Bama 30 in the 4th when JJ was sacked and fumbled.
That was pretty much end of game halfway thru 4th.
Pretty much like this the end of thread for me.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 3:37 pm to Mayhawman
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He was 6/10 and around 7ypa, no INTs.
I wouldn't call that uncomfortable.
Yeah, um, I said that he called plays that Jefferson was COMFORTABLE with. Thanks for proving my point that you can, in fact, substitute in the backup and have some success. Exactly what Miles should have done in the NCG.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 3:43 pm to tigerfoot
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He stuck to his gameplan against Arky and GA immediately prior...that seemed to be the right plan inspite of a dismal start.
this. some fans think there's this "magic moment" during a game that the HC should recognize his strategy isn't working and immediately change it. one of the things i've noticed about chavis and miles is that adjustments are made during a game or certainly at halftime. why didn't miles make adjustments this time. i only saw the game once (and will never watch it again) but it looked to me that bama stuffed EVERYTHING we tried whether it was on the ground or thru the air. seems to me the real agenda of people that use this one game as a miles barometer is THAT MILES DIDN'T PUT LEE IN. there is a reason; there has to be a reason; miles is not going to tell us the reason; we will never know the reason; fans will speculate and make statements they don't know to be true about the reason; and miles will just do what he does by moving on.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 3:47 pm to The312
quote:Actually you left a bit out:
Yeah, um, I said that he called plays that Jefferson was COMFORTABLE with.
quote:
plays that Jefferson had been practicing since his return to the squad (e.g. option plays).
and
Posted on 7/16/12 at 3:53 pm to Mayhawman
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Actually you left a bit out:
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plays that Jefferson had been practicing since his return to the squad (e.g. option plays).
Just FYI, "e.g." (exempli gratia) means "for example." Wasn't meant to be exhaustive. Just illustrative. Any way, pedantic point. Doesn't really matter. None of it does. Not sure how I let myself be sucked into another NCG debate. It's over. We can't change it. All we can do is look forward to this season and hope for the best. Not to mention, in the larger scheme of things, we're all Tiger Fans on the same side.
This post was edited on 7/16/12 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 7/16/12 at 3:55 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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