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re: If Crowton is the OC next year too
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:13 pm to Cheetah Flex
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:13 pm to Cheetah Flex
quote:your pathetic...
Riots?
FWIW I think it's very possible
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Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:17 pm to SJTiger
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If Crowton is back I'll just be sickened and expect an offense ranking between 85-110. Great that he and Chavis earn the SAME money...
I think Chavis is making $100,000 more than him
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:19 pm to chilge1
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Raise a glass to Mettenberger
Will do ... in February.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:20 pm to Doc Fenton
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Will do ... in February.
Or light a torch and tie a noose for him, you know, either one.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:20 pm to chilge1
I agree that the defense may take a step back, but it won't be as big a step back as Bama took. Their defense is extremely complicated and they lost 9 starters including both starting CBs.
I still think that bringing in a new OC is going to be a crapshoot if it happens. Crowton in reality is actually a very good OC when not handcuffed and having a seasoned QB in the mix. His weaknesses much like those you see at UT not and at UF is that he is not good at adjusting to the limitations his QBs bring.
For example, with Lee in 2008, the offense was much more open and although Lee had turnover problems, Crowton didn't adjust to deal with his inexperience. Same with JJ. Once teams figured out his style (usually the second half of a game) LSU got shut down.
That is a large reason we struggled in he 4th quarters last year in our four biggest games in Bama, Ole Mis, UF, and PSU.
Crowton needs a QB coach to handle the QBs for him and for Les to not force him to run an offense he's not good at calling (i.e. i-form/conservative). If those things, plus Studs being gone don't happen, we'll see a lot of the same even with Mettenberger assuming he comes. Unless he has a great QB coach in JUCO, it's a major crapshoot.
I still think that bringing in a new OC is going to be a crapshoot if it happens. Crowton in reality is actually a very good OC when not handcuffed and having a seasoned QB in the mix. His weaknesses much like those you see at UT not and at UF is that he is not good at adjusting to the limitations his QBs bring.
For example, with Lee in 2008, the offense was much more open and although Lee had turnover problems, Crowton didn't adjust to deal with his inexperience. Same with JJ. Once teams figured out his style (usually the second half of a game) LSU got shut down.
That is a large reason we struggled in he 4th quarters last year in our four biggest games in Bama, Ole Mis, UF, and PSU.
Crowton needs a QB coach to handle the QBs for him and for Les to not force him to run an offense he's not good at calling (i.e. i-form/conservative). If those things, plus Studs being gone don't happen, we'll see a lot of the same even with Mettenberger assuming he comes. Unless he has a great QB coach in JUCO, it's a major crapshoot.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:21 pm to lsugang
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your pathetic
His pathetic what?
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:27 pm to PPBeastMode
Chavis makes $700,000/year, while Crowton is making $469,000/year.
That's 50% more than Crowton for Chavis, not the same.
That's 50% more than Crowton for Chavis, not the same.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:27 pm to LSUMafia
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For example, with Lee in 2008, the offense was much more open and although Lee had turnover problems, Crowton didn't adjust to deal with his inexperience. Same with JJ. Once teams figured out his style (usually the second half of a game) LSU got shut down.
I've been wondering about a lot of this this year. Specifically, why hasn't Crowton returned to this same gameplan? Even if Lee hasn't progressed one iota from his 2008 form, we have the defense to handle turnovers... IMO, they'd be a lot less detrimental to the team than the number of stalled drives that we endure.
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Crowton needs a QB coach to handle the QBs for him
True. Crowton looks to be a great playcaller, but he's too detached from the quarterbacks to really be an offensive coordinator.
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and for Les to not force him to run an offense he's not good at calling (i.e. i-form/conservative).
I'll disagree here. I'm a traditionalist and will never advocate going away from power I formation, run it down your throat approaches. Big passing plays are great, but truthfully, if we can average even 150-180 passing yards a game, I'd prefer winning with dominating defense and running game.
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If those things, plus Studs being gone don't happen,
A lot of things have gone wrong this year, but the OL isn't one of them. Maybe Stud was being handicapped by the lack of depth on the OL last year. The unit as a whole may be the most improved aspect of the team this year (and not just because of how bad they were the year prior).
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we'll see a lot of the same even with Mettenberger assuming he comes. Unless he has a great QB coach in JUCO, it's a major crapshoot.
And I think this is it. Everyone is assuming that Mettenberger is going to come in as a savvy, seasoned QB that can grasp Crowton's system. If he can't, then we'll probably see him redshirt and continue plugging away with Jefferson and Lee for another year.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:27 pm to chilge1
Yeah, I'm flexible like that. I think it's healthy to be prepared for either eventuality as a sports fan.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 5:47 pm to chilge1
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I'll disagree here. I'm a traditionalist and will never advocate going away from power I formation, run it down your throat approaches. Big passing plays are great, but truthfully, if we can average even 150-180 passing yards a game, I'd prefer winning with dominating defense and running game.
Oh I am not against the tradition pro-style offense. In fact, I prefer that to be the staple of the offense with other things sprinkled in the gameplan. My point was that with Crowton, Miles can't do that. Crowton is horrible at calling pro-style offenses. His mind doesn't fit that style of playcalling if he's trying to mix in his offense.
If Miles had a similar minded OC, I think they'd do very well. It's just not Crowton's deal. Especially if he has to coach up QBs for it. He was lucky with his QBs early on at each stop, because they were vets, experienced and he was blending his offense into an offense they already learned.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 6:19 pm to TenTex
Flynn did well due to his time under Jimbo.
Crowton was unable to frick up some of that talent which Miles inherited
Crowton was unable to frick up some of that talent which Miles inherited
Posted on 11/14/10 at 6:21 pm to Paulu
quote:wow...what a dumbass...
Flynn did well due to his time under Jimbo.
Crowton was unable to frick up some of that talent which Miles inherited
Posted on 11/14/10 at 6:37 pm to lsugang
I think Crowton should go, but it is up to Les. Les knows what's at stake and how the offense has held us back. Let Les make the call. Everybody get off his back. Gary is probably not going anywhere next year. It's just my opinion but we are 3 years in a row without a West Title. I think you give Les all the decisions and give him freedom to try to get back on top. He will succeed or he will fail on his terms.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 6:44 pm to peopleschamp
quote:at this point in the season...i agree.
Gary is probably not going anywhere next year
Posted on 11/14/10 at 6:48 pm to peopleschamp
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I think Crowton should go, but it is up to Les. Les knows what's at stake and how the offense has held us back. Let Les make the call.
This is what people said last year.
We said to ourselves, "certainly, he HAS to fire Crowton this offseason to save his own career."
But he didn't, and when the shocking news that Crowton was returning this year finally set in, we said, "I don't understand this, but if Miles wants to tie his fate to that of Crowton (like DiNardo did with Tepper), then that's his own choice."
Now, here we are again, a year later, and people are still saying that we need to grant them more time to get things straightened out.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 7:03 pm to Doc Fenton
We go 11-1 and get to a BCS game, I think there is zero chance Miles fires Crowton.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 7:10 pm to Turbeauxdog
If that happens, and we don't see drastic improvement by the offense in our last 3 games, then it shows a lot about Les.
Records and what bowl we go to aside, coaches have to be proactive in this league, or you'll do long term damage.
I think something has to change on offense at the coaching level, and someone will have to go. It's just been bad for 2.5 seasons now with no signs of improvement.
Records and what bowl we go to aside, coaches have to be proactive in this league, or you'll do long term damage.
I think something has to change on offense at the coaching level, and someone will have to go. It's just been bad for 2.5 seasons now with no signs of improvement.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 7:26 pm to lsugang
Ask Flynn who he learned from - Jimbo or Crowton?
You obviously blow Crowton and are unable to accept the truth.
You obviously blow Crowton and are unable to accept the truth.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 8:16 pm to Paulu
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Ask Flynn who he learned from - Jimbo or Crowton?
You obviously blow Crowton and are unable to accept the truth.
what a punk...
im gonna laugh my arse off at you all who are hung up on firing Crowton when after we hire a new OC,continue to play JJ and JL and the offense continues to lack production...
This post was edited on 11/14/10 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 11/14/10 at 8:21 pm to Cheetah Flex
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Riots?
Come back when you are 12.
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