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re: Is JLee ruined?
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:07 pm to TheDoc
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:07 pm to TheDoc
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then, as he failed to progress
failed to progress?
he played, what? 4 snaps in the miss st game?
a couple handoffs, a run, and a few more handoffs?
yes failed to prgress....in practice, where the coaches were observing him to evaluate him and see if he had earned a spot to burn his redshirt. early on, his ability earned high expectations but sadly, he neverproved to the coaching staff he was fully deserving. If it weren't for injuries to hatch, he probably would still be redshirting
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Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:08 pm to LSUfan4444
there was no advantage to putting JJ into the RP role. Hatch basically brought the same thing to the table except he had a much better understanding of the offense and it we would not have to burn a RS.
The running qb role was definitely not up for grabs. since hatch had that locked up
The running qb role was definitely not up for grabs. since hatch had that locked up
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:08 pm to BilJ
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so you followed reports closely going into this season, but not last?
no, i followed them last year. and last fall he got some reps, but nothing i would call signifcant in comparison to what JJ has gotten this year...and as the season progressed from what i read, his practice time decreased while hatch's increased
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:09 pm to IAmTheHatOnMilesHead
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was it also inexcusable when JR threw it on 4th and 9 against Arizona State?....JR's was a duck off his left foot into double coverage
But is was a TOCHDOWN and the ball HAD to be thrown. We were behind. Against Bama, Lee could have thrown it away and we would have gotten points on the leg of our all time leading scorer because the game was tied.
You are actually comparing someone thowing a pick to LOSE the game as similar to someone who threw a TD to WIN the game.
I'll take a duck for a TD over a spiral for a pick any day.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:09 pm to TheDoc
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watching JJ was like a breath of fresh air on saturday afternoon.
in a performance trumped by lee's first two in sec play
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:09 pm to LSUfan4444
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lee was passed over for hatch.....HATCH!
hatch knew the playbook
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:11 pm to BilJ
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Lee was making crappy decisions against UNT...to blame his struggles soley on the fan base is being ignorant. Has it been a factor? probably. The only reason? Laughable
but he "progressed" into and after the auburn game (after nt)
not saing it is the only factore, but as the season progressed and the criticisms/pressure increased, his play decreased
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:11 pm to TheDoc
the "competition" was more if Lee proved himself good enough to at least split time with hatch. It wasn't really a qb derby
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:12 pm to BilJ
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there was no advantage to putting JJ into the RP role. Hatch basically brought the same thing to the table except he had a much better understanding of the offense and it we would not have to burn a RS.
The running qb role was definitely not up for grabs. since hatch had that locked up
i wasn't talking about using him in a running role necessarily. just using him to give lee/hatch some time off and remove some of the pressure from his/their shoulders.
This post was edited on 11/26/08 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:14 pm to diamondtiger
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But is was a TOCHDOWN and the ball HAD to be thrown. We were behind. Against Bama, Lee could have thrown it away and we would have gotten points on the leg of our all time leading scorer because the game was tied.
You are actually comparing someone thowing a pick to LOSE the game as similar to someone who threw a TD to WIN the game.
I'll take a duck for a TD over a spiral for a pick any day.
the result of an incomplete pass against ASU is a loss...not against bama
the problem people are having with lee was the decision to throw the pass, not the pass itself. the decision for lee to makethat pass against bama was a MUCH better decision than JR to throw his against ASU
now, the exectution is a diffeent story, but lee didn't have doucet trying to catch his pass either
This post was edited on 11/26/08 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:15 pm to TheDoc
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lee was passed over for hatch.....HATCH!
hatch knew the playbook
so you are saying hatch was given the backup nod last year at bama because he knew the playbook better than Lee at that point?
come on man. thats a reach.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:16 pm to LSUfan4444
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the problem people are having with lee was the decision to throw the pass, not the pass itself. the decision for lee to makethat pass against bama was a MUCH better decision than JR to throw his against ASU
i guess i drank too much at lunch. Huh?
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:16 pm to LSUfan4444
Crowton has always been much more comfortable with hatch over lee and now I think we can all see why.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:19 pm to jaxfl tiger
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i guess i drank too much at lunch. Huh?
lee has been drug under the bus and smacked 3 times for his decision to throw the ball into double coverage, rolling to his right against alabama where even an incomplete pass still likely leads you to 3 pts
JR was given credit for making the decision to throw into double coverage rolling to his left where an incomplete pass leads to a loss
ifyou knock lee's decision to throw his pass against bama, you have to knock the same decisionby JR...which he was given much praise for having the "guts to make that pass, where flynn would have tried to run it and got tackled for a 7 yard gain"
This post was edited on 11/26/08 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:22 pm to LSUfan4444
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the problem people are having with lee was the decision to throw the pass, not the pass itself
the problem I had was that byrd was OPEN 15 yards away, and lafell was double covered.
youre trying to spin this jamarcus stuff into the equation, and it has nothing to do with lee.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:23 pm to LSUfan4444
like someone said had we been down a TD and Lee makes that throw...ok fine. Like you said an incompletion gives you a shot at the FG so why chance it on making that throw?
They were 2 completely different situations.
They were 2 completely different situations.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:23 pm to LSUfan4444
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come on man. thats a reach.
um...
Hatch would still be starting if he had not been hurt in the auburn game.
that's crowtons boy.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:26 pm to LSUfan4444
I will admit my memories of the ASU game are fading, but wasn't that a do-or-die situation? Didn't he pretty much HAVE to throw that pass?
Again, I don't remember the exact situation, clock, etc....
Again, I don't remember the exact situation, clock, etc....
This post was edited on 11/26/08 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:27 pm to jaxfl tiger
you are correct jax. thats why I am saying different situations
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:30 pm to BilJ
also I don't really see how JR effects my argument that Lee simply isn't cut out to run crowton's offense
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