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re: Is JLee ruined?
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:31 pm to TheDoc
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:31 pm to TheDoc
quote:
youre trying to spin this jamarcus stuff into the equation, and it has nothing to do with lee.
i am trying to compare apples to apples.
the point i have, and many others share, is that Lee is being unfairly overly criticized, and that pass (and how it relates to others in LSU's history) is most definitely relevant
he is a freshman qb playing the #1 team in the country that 90% of the fans would love to beat rather than any other game on the schedule and he is trying to makea play. i am not condoning the decision, it's just funny how his is criticized more than what others in recent history was.
It is no different than the time Les Miles will go for a 4th down and not get it and it will cost us a game and he gets drug through the mud, when he was praised for having "guts" and being "lesticles" previously.
Just saying it is a whole lot less hypocritical to criticize similar decisions based on the decision, not the result.
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Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:32 pm to LSUfan4444
Fact: RP situation set us back 2 years at the qb spot
Fact: We do not have an SEC ready qb
Fact: Les has given opportunities to every qb on the roster to prove that they are the "most" ready to play in this conference.
Fact: Our qb's are not SEC ready, inexperienced, and it shows.
Fact: Our fan base is spoiled and expects someone to miraculously turn into a bad arse qb. Didn't happen this year and more than likely will not next year either.
My suggestion: Recognize that we are in a tough spot here. RP took talent, direction, and leadership away from the team both this year and next. He also took with him the opportunity for the younger guys to develop. We must move on yes, but also recognize that none of these guys were expected to play any significant minutes until 2010.
Until that time I will not release the full expectation I have for a starting qb in the SEC. It's kind of like we still have to ride our bike with training wheels. If by 2010 Lee is still making these mistakes (doubtful) then let him have it. But, until then recognize the unfortunate position he has been thrust into, and do what you can to help him out of it instead of trying to run him out of town.
Personally I'd like to see how good this kid is in 2010... that is if you people don't crucify him first.
Fact: We do not have an SEC ready qb
Fact: Les has given opportunities to every qb on the roster to prove that they are the "most" ready to play in this conference.
Fact: Our qb's are not SEC ready, inexperienced, and it shows.
Fact: Our fan base is spoiled and expects someone to miraculously turn into a bad arse qb. Didn't happen this year and more than likely will not next year either.
My suggestion: Recognize that we are in a tough spot here. RP took talent, direction, and leadership away from the team both this year and next. He also took with him the opportunity for the younger guys to develop. We must move on yes, but also recognize that none of these guys were expected to play any significant minutes until 2010.
Until that time I will not release the full expectation I have for a starting qb in the SEC. It's kind of like we still have to ride our bike with training wheels. If by 2010 Lee is still making these mistakes (doubtful) then let him have it. But, until then recognize the unfortunate position he has been thrust into, and do what you can to help him out of it instead of trying to run him out of town.
Personally I'd like to see how good this kid is in 2010... that is if you people don't crucify him first.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:32 pm to LSUfan4444
again if JR throws it away the game is over, LSU loses
if Lee throws it away, we have a chance at the FG, and give our D a fighting chance in OT
if Lee throws it away, we have a chance at the FG, and give our D a fighting chance in OT
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:32 pm to BilJ
becoming evident every time he rolls out for the option. no team will ever target him on the keep, and keiland will forever get pounded for a 4-yard loss.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:34 pm to BilJ
quote:
also I don't really see how JR effects my argument that Lee simply isn't cut out to run crowton's offense
b/c you brought up a decision he made to throw a specific pass that may have cost LSU the game that is very similar to another once thrown which may have won LSU a game
you knocked his decision making, all I did was point out it was very similar to a decision (with actually less downside) which was previously praised by many
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:35 pm to LSUfan4444
I used it as 1 example of a series of incredibly bad decisions. Hell go back a series or 2 and look at his decision to not run the ball on 3rd down
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:35 pm to BilJ
quote:
again if JR throws it away the game is over, LSU loses
if Lee throws it away, we have a chance at the FG, and give our D a fighting chance in OT
every pass can be complete, incomplete or int
JR needed a low % pass to be caught for LSU to win/continue
Lee couldhave lived with an incomplete pass. His actually had less downside
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:36 pm to BilJ
quote:
again if JR throws it away the game is over, LSU loses
if Lee throws it away, we have a chance at the FG, and give our D a fighting chance in OT
Let's also throw in the fact that Lee's throw gave Lafell little or no shot to make a play and Jarmarcus throw gave Early a good shot which makes all the difference.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:36 pm to BilJ
quote:
I used it as 1 example of a series of incredibly bad decisions
and i just responded to that 1 comment.
you brought up that one play, and i brought up a basis for comparison. but it seems to be getting all the attnetion now
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:37 pm to LSUfan4444
a low % pass on 4th and 9? I don't think so
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:37 pm to ezride25
quote:
Fact: RP situation set us back 2 years at the qb spot
Fact: We do not have an SEC ready qb
Fact: Les has given opportunities to every qb on the roster to prove that they are the "most" ready to play in this conference.
Fact: Our qb's are not SEC ready, inexperienced, and it shows.
Fact: Our fan base is spoiled and expects someone to miraculously turn into a bad arse qb. Didn't happen this year and more than likely will not next year either.
My suggestion: Recognize that we are in a tough spot here. RP took talent, direction, and leadership away from the team both this year and next. He also took with him the opportunity for the younger guys to develop. We must move on yes, but also recognize that none of these guys were expected to play any significant minutes until 2010.
Until that time I will not release the full expectation I have for a starting qb in the SEC. It's kind of like we still have to ride our bike with training wheels. If by 2010 Lee is still making these mistakes (doubtful) then let him have it. But, until then recognize the unfortunate position he has been thrust into, and do what you can to help him out of it instead of trying to run him out of town.
Personally I'd like to see how good this kid is in 2010... that is if you people don't crucify him first
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:38 pm to LSUfan4444
quote:
JR needed a low % pass to be caught for LSU to win/continue
Lee couldhave lived with an incomplete pass. His actually had less downside
I guess I am just not getting your point on this one, considering one pass the had to be thrown won the game and the other pass that did not have to be thrown cost the game. Downside seems obvious.
This post was edited on 11/26/08 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:39 pm to diamondtiger
I don't really remember the placement of JR's ball on that throw, but defintely dead on with Lee's. I knew right when he let that one go it was either going to be picked off or out of bounds. Lafell had no chance at that one
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:39 pm to BilJ
quote:
if Lee throws it away, we have a chance at the FG, and give our D a fighting chance in OT
One pass does not a loss make. It just happened to be the one thing you remember the most.
You guys that pin the entire season on a throw or a run or two just slay me.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:40 pm to BilJ
quote:
a low % pass on 4th and 9? I don't think so
a 30+ yard pass on 4th and 9 isn't low %?
again, we'll just have to move on b/c i think an intermediate pass is alot high % and i don't even think me posting completion % of those passes would help
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:40 pm to Carlos Santannaclaus
quote:
One pass does not a loss make.
Maybe, maybe not, but 4 might.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:40 pm to Carlos Santannaclaus
quote:
One pass does not a loss make.
of course not
but in college OT you HAVE to get points or its over
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:41 pm to jaxfl tiger
quote:
I guess I am just not getting your point on this one, considering one pass won the game and the other cost the game. Downside seems obvious.
you are looking at the result, not the decision
the decision is what is/was being criticized
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:41 pm to LSUfan4444
You still failed to acknowledge the fact that Russell HAD to make a pass and Lee did not. That is whay Russell threw what you consider lower percentage than the one Lee threw, which makes the Lee pass a much much worse decision.
This post was edited on 11/26/08 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:44 pm to LSUfan4444
you're also assuming there were other options open on that play
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